re: Time to Give O and Alleva some Credit

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but he is the guy who pulled the trigger on O which I like

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This line of thinking is why we will never sniff Bama's level. We have fans that are happy with hiring a coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense, or program.

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The search was a joke. We hired just about the lowest rung candidate possible. We have two stud coordinators now. Let's see how it goes. Control yourself.

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I don't agree that the search was a joke. I think we could stand our ground and not pay out the arse for someone who is still an unknown at this point. I don't think I'd want to hire Orgeron if he had to build this thing from the ground up. I think many people thought the only thing holding back this team was the boss so it wasn't so much as hiring O, it was making sure that hiring the DL coach also coincided with keeping what everyone considers a very good staff in place.

You've got two stud coordinators now and a staff that can recruit. I just don't understand why people can't see that there was more to this decision than just hiring a DL coach. Will Herman kill it at UT? Maybe he will but with the hiring of a good OC, the chances are higher we'll be better with what we've got and for a lot less money...

FTR, eff Alleva, I'm no fan of his.

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I don't agree that the search was a joke.

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We went from herman and jimbo to ed orgeron. There was no search.

If Herman flops at Texas i look forward to seeing these same people talk about how we dodged a bullet.

If I had to guess I'd say we hired O because we are paying Les Miles millions of dollars to sit around the house and eat grass all day.

All of this crap about do you jobs seems like it is written for people that don't understand that a lot of people are paid to do their jobs and don't. Here are a few coaches that got paid millions.

Did Kirby Smart, Sumlin, Brian Kelly, Dantonio, Fat Boy Beliema, Yalla Tooth McElwain, Moro all do their jobs this year. It is not automatic nega-Tigers.

Point 1. With how well O performed as the interim and the enormous backing from the LSU community behind him, when Jimbo and Herman bailed, Alleva who reviewed the other possibles - Patterson, Hyper PJ Fleck, etc. and made the call that Coach O was the best solution. From my view, I would have loved to have Jimbo -- but not be extorted to get him. Alleva made the right call.

Point 2: Coaching transitions are tough and we have taken a few bumps on recruiting, but we have seven weeks to go and will end with a good class.

Point 3: The Kiffen friendship pursuit was a mistake, but O and Alleva pivoted and went after the right guy. I also liked Helfrich for the same reason as Canada -- get a bright mind and build an scoring offense, but in reality O and Alleva targeted and got the perfect candidate. It is not automatic that people get it right,mso that is why I credit O and Alleva for keeping Aranda who could get about as much from Texas, and getting Canada who had other offers.

Hence, give a little credit in between hating on everything.

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Time to Give O and Alleva some Credit
All of this crap about do you jobs seems like it is written for people that don't understand that a lot of people are paid to do their jobs and don't. Here are a few coaches that got paid millions.

Did Kirby Smart, Sumlin, Brian Kelly, Dantonio, Fat Boy Beliema, Yalla Tooth McElwain, Moro all do their jobs this year. It is not automatic nega-Tigers.

Point 1. With how well O performed as the interim and the enormous backing from the LSU community behind him, when Jimbo and Herman bailed, Alleva who reviewed the other possibles - Patterson, Hyper PJ Fleck, etc. and made the call that Coach O was the best solution. From my view, I would have loved to have Jimbo -- but not be extorted to get him. Alleva made the right call.

Point 2: Coaching transitions are tough and we have taken a few bumps on recruiting, but we have seven weeks to go and will end with a good class.

Point 3: The Kiffen friendship pursuit was a mistake, but O and Alleva pivoted and went after the right guy. I also liked Helfrich for the same reason as Canada -- get a bright mind and build an scoring offense, but in reality O and Alleva targeted and got the perfect candidate. It is not automatic that people get it right,mso that is why I credit O and Alleva for keeping Aranda who could get about as much from Texas, and getting Canada who had other offers.

Hence, give a little credit in between hating on everything.

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False equivalence.

Explain false equivalence?

Much of Alleva's job security is tied to football as it pays most of the bills for the rest of the sports program and contributes to the academic side of the university. The football team is figuratively the "front porch" to a university. That said, he is going to do what he has to do to make it succeed. Is he going to make mistakes from time to time, sure. They gave Les the benefit of the doubt at the end of last season, were promised some changes, and then it got evident this season that there were no changes at all. I am sure that if they had that move back they would have done it differently. Meanwhile, there were public and political perceptions to also be concerned about. While the athletic program is self-supporting, many do not get that. Given that the university is in a bit of a financial crisis along with the rest of the universities in the state, legislator perception had to be taken into account as Les had a few fans there. Les was also a regular at B.J.'s (aka as Bobby "Blow Job" Jindal) fund raisers as governor and his aspirations to be president. "BJ" didn't want him canned last season. Everyone knew BJ's history of being vindictive when his wishes were not granted. That was not an easy tightrope to walk and I would not have wanted to have been in their shoes trying to walk it. I am just saying from the perspective of a retired administrator, I don't think those gents were as incompetent as some wanted to make them. On the other hand, Les was. Likable guy, knew plenty about football, but not a good HC. Also, his syntax and grammar were somewhat of an embarrassment.