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re: TigerDroppings.....not much grey on Jamarcus Russell.

Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:36 pm to
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:36 pm to
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That is his job. The fact that it went off Bowe's hands is no fault of JR's


again, I'm not sure which play you are talking about. The in route where Nelson nailed Bowe as the ball arrived was not a deflection. The throw was perfect, but late, thus Nelson read it perfectly and blew up the play. The one at the goal line was a bad throw, you might argue that Bowe shouldn't have even tried to get a hand on it, which led to the deflection/interception.


Posted by TheEdge
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:37 pm to
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I'm not the one making excuses.


Nor am I.
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:38 pm to
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again, I'm not sure which play you are talking about. The in route where Nelson nailed Bowe as the ball arrived was not a deflection. The throw was perfect, but late, thus Nelson read it perfectly and blew up the play. The one at the goal line was a bad throw, you might argue that Bowe shouldn't have even tried to get a hand on it, which led to the deflection/interception.
I've been talking about the one where Nelson blew up the play. I don't even remember the other goal-line play to Bowe.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:39 pm to
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I thought for sure the ball was around Bowe's waist.


one was right in the bread-basket, but Nelson arrived at the same time the ball did and it bounced out to a defender. the one at the goal line was high and behind Bowe, he got his fingertips on it which was just enough of a deflection to cause an interception.
Posted by Rocket
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:40 pm to
I'm tired of these QB debates on here. They are divisive and tearing Miles Maniacs apart!
Posted by Sammich
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:41 pm to
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How are we making excuses?

Any criticism of any kind of JR's is followed by: "That's not his fault it was ______"(Fill in the blank)

This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 9:45 pm
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:43 pm to
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They are divisive and tearing Miles Maniacs apart!


we're facing an expansion of the SlowFloNation, which is the worst possible scenario for Miles Maniacs everywhere...
Posted by TheEdge
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:43 pm to
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Any critism of any kind of JR's is followed by: "That's not his fault it was ______"(Fill in the blank)


Those are explanations of what happened. Not the same as excuses.

If I said FDR sucked since he nuked Japan and you replied with The was actually Truman is that an excuse or explaining the real facts?
This post was edited on 8/16/08 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:43 pm to
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Any critism of any kind of JR's is followed by: "That's not his fault it was ______"(Fill in the blank)
Posted by Louie T
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:44 pm to
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one was right in the bread-basket, but Nelson arrived at the same time the ball did and it bounced out to a defender. the one at the goal line was high and behind Bowe,
That's the one I was talking about.
Posted by TheEdge
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:45 pm to
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we're facing an expansion of the rational thought, which is the worst possible scenario for rantards everywhere...



Fixed it up for you.
Posted by specs1
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:46 pm to
I agree w/ the contention of your thread.

In the spirit of that, I'M A HUGE FAN OF JR."

I even check Raiders news often to find out tidbits on him. I hope to see him and any former LSU player for that matter have an excellent career.

Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:49 pm to
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Fixed it up for you.


I'll let you know when there is rational thought on here beyond mine...
Posted by TheEdge
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:49 pm to
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I'll let you know when there is rational thought on here beyond mine...





If that wasn't so blatantly false I might be insulted.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 9:50 pm to
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I'll let you know when there is rational thought on here beyond mine...
Posted by LSU Diablo
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Posted on 8/16/08 at 10:27 pm to
You and I agree on all counts.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/17/08 at 7:57 pm to
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Russell had a solid 2005 and great 2006.


No SEC Title(s) though.



Team stat, in 2007 LSU had the same SEC record as we did in 2006, the difference was not the QB, but other teams losing, only a moron doesn't understand that.
Posted by Fighting Tigers
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/18/08 at 3:05 am to
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I've noticed that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of "in between" when it comes to opinions about Jamarcus Russell on this board. Some of you cite his overwhelming talent and NFL draft stock as evidence that he is the greatest QB in LSU history. Others seem to zero in on every miscue that he had during his tenure at LSU, holding him accountable for things that you conveniently ignore about our other QB's past and present.

The truth, as always, is somewhere in between.

My opinion is that Russell is certainly the most talented QB to ever play at LSU. He is also one of the most underrated clutch performers in the history of the program. I counted a total of 4 4th quarter come-from-behind wins that he engineered and I may be forgetting a few. He was also the UNQUESTIONED leader of that team in 2005 and 2006 as evidenced by the fact that none of the players, at least publicly, supported giving Flynn even the possibility of being the QB in 2006 after the Peach Bowl in 2005.

That being said, he is in my mind a step and a half shy of being the greatest QB in school history. My feeling is that Rohan Davey was a more effective QB than Jamarcus was at the college level. In all fairness, Jamarcus had more NFL talent at receiver to work with in Craig Davis, Dwayne Bowe, and Early Doucet, but Rohan had Josh Reed who was far better at the college level than either of those three. I think that Rohan was better at executing Jimbo Fisher's offense than was Jamarcus. He also responded better against quality defenses, although that had a lot to do with Josh Reed. It is undeniable that Jamarcus Russell came up short against the two best defenses he faced all year in 2006.

The thing is, it is tough to fairly compare the two because Rohan really only had one solid year as the starting QB at LSU. If Ro had had three years with Jimbo as the OC, I think he would have made a run at being the best QB in school history. Likewise, I think that if Jamarcus had stayed for his senior year with Gary Crowton calling the plays (Jimbo’s performances were becoming stale by the time he left for FSU), Jamarcus might have taken the distinction for himself. I have submitted to the notion that both QB's are probably among the greatest "might have been's" at QB in LSU history. They both flexed their talent with the right offense and the right players around them but neither played long enough to be called the best ever at LSU. I still to this day bestow that distinction on Bert Jones and Tommy Hodson.



Hat's off to you, nice objective post.
This post was edited on 8/18/08 at 3:06 am
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