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re: Tiger Fans Refusing to quit....(Guilbeau)
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:10 pm to Chicken
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:10 pm to Chicken
quote:how is booing the coach for playing JJ instead of Lee any different than booing JJ? this seems like a cowardly cop out to me.
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it was pretty obvious they were booing JJ
how do you know this? How do you know they weren't directing the boos at Miles in an effort to get him to make the change that most people want?
booing after JJ misses a pass is booing the coaches?
booing when JJ actually enters the game instead of JL is booing the coaches?
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Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:10 pm to PHXTigers
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Glenn Guilbeau:
I look at this season as a separate entity. Many fans, like yourself, are looking at this season with the baggage from the last two on top of it. You're not looking at it freshly, and if you did you'd realize that this is a better team than the last two even though the passing is not better. The defense, running game, offensive line and special teams are all better than the last two years. But you guys can't see it, because you're still upset from the last two seasons and want Miles gone.
I don't think there is ONE LSU fan that doesn't recognize that our DEFENSE, O-LINE, RUNNING GAME AND SPECIAL teams are not better.Most true fans don't want Miles gone, they just want to see all aspects of the Tiger football program to be excellence or at the very least adequate. However, they don't see the offense as well as the coaching of same to be even remotely close to being just adequate.Guilbeau generally looks at LSU football through Saban eyes.
This post was edited on 9/27/10 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:14 pm to Chicken
Wont win w/o a passing game? Um the vast majority of college football history begs to differ. Prolific passing games are relatively recent development. See Nebraska, Alabama, Tennessee, Penn St, Notre Dame, frankly Florida with Tebow, Ohio State, Michigan, Colorado, Georgia Tech... need I go on? Historically, championship teams have been built on defense, kick game, running game and a pass game that is complimentary.
And what exactly is "boo-ed"?
And what exactly is "boo-ed"?
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:16 pm to drexyl
quote:maybe...
booing after JJ misses a pass is booing the coaches?
booing when JJ actually enters the game instead of JL is booing the coaches?
Would it be booing the kicker when Les opts for a FG instead of going for it on 4th and inches, and the crowd boos?
To me, booing has always been a message to the coaches...unfortunately, its affects are also felt by the players.
I am not saying that every fan booing was directing it at the coaches, but no one knows for sure and everyone is just speculating. Regardless, I think the point has been made that this offense needs help. There is no reason for it to be this bad and not have some type of change.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:17 pm to PHXTigers
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I have NO DOUBT Coach Miles will make changes with the OC at the end of the season just as he did in Co-DC that lead to bringing in Chavis.
In the mean time your throwing away an entire class of Senior's and their chance for a championship. All to keep one players feelings from getting hurt. Sounds like a stellar plan to me.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:18 pm to tntigger
quote:yes, tell me what their Total Offense ranking was as compared to LSU's...
Wont win w/o a passing game? Um the vast majority of college football history begs to differ. Prolific passing games are relatively recent development. See Nebraska, Alabama, Tennessee, Penn St, Notre Dame, frankly Florida with Tebow, Ohio State, Michigan, Colorado, Georgia Tech... need I go on?
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:26 pm to Chicken
not just total offense, but as he said in his argument against you chicken, they had a complimentary passing game. That's exactly what we are lacking. I am not looking for 500 yards a game, just the ability to convert a 3rd and medium when needed.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 12:59 pm to CptBengal
CptBengal: Where are we going to get that passing game? We have JJ and JL. Just a short time back it seemed that we wanted JL to transfer to someother school. I don't think a large protion of our fans can be satisfied no mater what LM does or doesn't do.
I would like to see JL play more. I really think we need a good hand off QB that can make good disions when throwing the ball. This should be enough to help the Defense and let them do their thing.
I would like to see JL play more. I really think we need a good hand off QB that can make good disions when throwing the ball. This should be enough to help the Defense and let them do their thing.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:04 pm to tntigger
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Wont win w/o a passing game? Um the vast majority of college football history begs to differ. Prolific passing games are relatively recent development. See Nebraska, Alabama, Tennessee, Penn St, Notre Dame, frankly Florida with Tebow, Ohio State, Michigan, Colorado, Georgia Tech... need I go on? Historically, championship teams have been built on defense, kick game, running game and a pass game that is complimentary
Pretty fair point. People always think of the Spurrier days at UF being the all out air barrage, but in reality he had some great RB's and stout defenses every year. Look at the amount of Florida RB's from that time period that had good college careers followed by nice runs in the NFL. Same for their defensive players from the time. All the passing game needs to produce for LSU this season is enough of a threat to be respected by opposing defenses and to pick up timely first downs.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:07 pm to tntigger
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Wont win w/o a passing game? Um the vast majority of college football history begs to differ. Prolific passing games are relatively recent development. See Nebraska, Alabama, Tennessee, Penn St, Notre Dame, frankly Florida with Tebow, Ohio State, Michigan, Colorado, Georgia Tech... need I go on? Historically, championship teams have been built on defense, kick game, running game and a pass game that is complimentary.
And what exactly is "boo-ed"?
And what exactly is complimentary? A passing game that says your date looks nice? I think you're trying to say complementary. You're sitting in a glass house throwing rocks.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:11 pm to PHXTigers
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I have NO DOUBT Coach Miles will make changes with the OC at the end of the season just as he did in Co-DC that lead to bringing in Chavis
The Co-DCs lasted 1 year. LSU's offense was abysmal last year and Miles didn't make a change. Now it's even worse this year.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:17 pm to Chicken
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We all know this team is better than last year. We also know that you probably won't win championships without a passing game. Good defenses like Alabama's and Florida's will stack the box, and shut down our run. Then what?
So you expected a championship this year?
I'd be willing to bet that this team is exceeding your preseason expectations.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:18 pm to Chicken
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maybe...
Would it be booing the kicker when Les opts for a FG instead of going for it on 4th and inches, and the crowd boos?
To me, booing has always been a message to the coaches...unfortunately, its affects are also felt by the players.
I am not saying that every fan booing was directing it at the coaches, but no one knows for sure and everyone is just speculating. Regardless, I think the point has been made that this offense needs help. There is no reason for it to be this bad and not have some type of change.
Were you at the game? Because there was plenty of dialogue going on behind the boos. They were definitely booing Jefferson at times. No doubt.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:20 pm to moneyg
quote:Before the season, no.
So you expected a championship this year?
After four games, I think this team can play with anyone. With a "complimentary" passing game to go along with strong defense and special teams, and a decent running game, we could run the table.
Playcalling/offensive execution is the last obstacle to a great year.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:29 pm to Chicken
I agree that this is a better team. That's what makes it more frustrating. We can be very, very good if we can just get a little bit of production out of the passing game.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 1:53 pm to moneyg
The effects of booing on our players mean much less to me than the effects our coaches decisions have on the morale of the players.
The players on both sides of the ball wanted a change, still want a change, and IMO, deserve the opportunity to see if it can make a difference.
Timing, whether it be on the game clock or otherwise, has not been a strong suit of Miles. These opportunities should have already been given by now.
But, no, let's embarrass JJ, embarrass and sabotage JL. Miles couldn't handle his and LSU's situation any worse than he has, but it's who he is, and it ain't changing, until it's done. So be it.
The players on both sides of the ball wanted a change, still want a change, and IMO, deserve the opportunity to see if it can make a difference.
Timing, whether it be on the game clock or otherwise, has not been a strong suit of Miles. These opportunities should have already been given by now.
But, no, let's embarrass JJ, embarrass and sabotage JL. Miles couldn't handle his and LSU's situation any worse than he has, but it's who he is, and it ain't changing, until it's done. So be it.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 2:04 pm to oneg8rh8r
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I don't want Miles gone, I want him to hire an OC, and let the OC do his damn job. The OC needs to be able to COACH QB's, recruit players that fit his vision, call good plays, makes plays that utilize the strengths that he has in front of him. That is all.
Pretty much.
This post was edited on 9/27/10 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/27/10 at 2:16 pm to Chicken
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No one knows who was being boo-ed. For all we know, the coaches were being boo-ed.
Chicken, you're a smart and generally savvy guy. But this statement is rife with naivete, or feigned naivete, which is worse. When Lee walks on the field and the fans cheer, and then Jefferson walks on the field and the fans boo, is it simply disingenuous to assert that Jefferson is not the one being booed. Saying that it was aimed at the coaches for putting Jefferson in is specious. It's the same thing from Jefferson's point of view. And even a fan who has consumed 3 liters of 100 proof whiskey in the preceding 2 hours can understand that.
Posted on 9/27/10 at 2:20 pm to PHXTigers
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Guilbeau: ..You guys are forgettng just how bad Lee was in the last two seasons. He's not all of a sudden going to get better just because it's a new season...
Sounds like Glenn isn't living by the words that he preaches! How is this any different than judging Miles on the past 2 years?
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