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re: This is why Steve Ensminger is not the problem
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:26 am to VermilionTiger
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:26 am to VermilionTiger
quote:
THEN SCHEME YOUR OFFENSE AROUND YOUR O-LINE DEFICIENCIES
It just doesn’t work like that. You can scheme around individual weaknesses, but, when your entire offensive line is outclassed, it doesn’t make much difference.
People will continue to (wrongly) point to other teams putting points as evidence that “it’s scheming!” but that still disregards the very real fact that LSU’s offensive line is worse than other teams that put up points on Bama.
It all starts with the line. If you played or take the study of the game seriously, then that’s the reality, full stop.
Get yourself a world class offensive line, and life becomes much easier. The running back doesn’t make the offensie. Neither does the Qb. If they don’t have holes or adequate protection, then it’s impossible to succeed at the level that Bama plays at.
Leonard, Hill, Guice, Blue — elite running backs that were hamstrung by mediocre offensive lines.
Again, you can scheme around individual poor play. You can even manage to call a few plays that might mitigate a mediocre line (see: Georgia game). But you cannot hope to compete against a Bama team that complete for 60 fricking minutes without a fundamentally sound offensive line.
And that’s the goddam truth.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:35 am to TrueTigerTale
In two games against Bama, Ensminger's offense has rushed for 45 total yards (with two all-time SEC great RBs in Fournette + Guice being involved in the 1st game). They have accounted for 321 total yards in TWO games. 0 points.
8 offensive players from the 2016 team were drafted. Fournette, Guice, Chark, Dupre, Pocic, Clapp, etc. Absolutely pathetic production any way you slice it.
8 offensive players from the 2016 team were drafted. Fournette, Guice, Chark, Dupre, Pocic, Clapp, etc. Absolutely pathetic production any way you slice it.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:39 am to doctatigah
quote:
And that’s the goddam truth
No it's not. Just cause you say it doesn't make it so.
Who the frick runs play action when they team has negative fricking rush yards?
Use those 2 seconds turning around to scan the field on quick slants and quick developing plays.
2016 LSU had NFL talent on the o line and E still could score a damn point. Take your fricking E loving glasses off
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:39 am to TrueTigerTale
Just stop
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:41 am to doctatigah
Those play action passes in the 2nd half were confusing the shite out of them
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:46 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
Ensminger is not the problem, beating the shite out of Georgia proves that. Some idiots think that calling plays is all there is to running an offense. Ensmingers play calling has been pretty good.
This - 1000 upvotes!!!
Wanna beat Ala, sign the best Olinemen and D linemen in the country, that's how Alabama beats LSU when no one else can.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:55 am to TrueTigerTale
every team but LSU has scored on bama, don't give me that crap, need a new OC
Posted on 11/4/18 at 8:58 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:No. It doesn't. LSU's defense gave them short fields and Ensminger's brilliant "throw it up to the tall receivers" coin-toss system worked that day.
Ensminger is not the problem. beating the shite out of Georgia proves that.
LSU has won 3 times despite being outgained. That's all Dave Aranda. The fact that the offense can find a nut occasionally is not a sign of Ensminger's brilliance, but the natural, occasional result of having some naturally talented players.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:00 am to doctatigah
quote:
It just doesn’t work like that. You can scheme around individual weaknesses, but, when your entire offensive line is outclassed, it doesn’t make much difference.
People will continue to (wrongly) point to other teams putting points as evidence that “it’s scheming!” but that still disregards the very real fact that LSU’s offensive line is worse than other teams that put up points on Bama.
It all starts with the line. If you played or take the study of the game seriously, then that’s the reality, full stop.
Get yourself a world class offensive line, and life becomes much easier. The running back doesn’t make the offensie. Neither does the Qb. If they don’t have holes or adequate protection, then it’s impossible to succeed at the level that Bama plays at.
Leonard, Hill, Guice, Blue — elite running backs that were hamstrung by mediocre offensive lines.
Again, you can scheme around individual poor play. You can even manage to call a few plays that might mitigate a mediocre line (see: Georgia game). But you cannot hope to compete against a Bama team that complete for 60 fricking minutes without a fundamentally sound offensive line.
And that’s the goddam truth.
This..... Basically LSU football in a nutshell. WE NEED Dominant Offensive lineman!
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:01 am to blueboy
I'm not going to say Ensminger isn't a problem, but until we improve along the OL (or atleast stop playing musical chairs at LG and RT) the OC doesn't matter. He's going to come up with a game plan that's going to get blown up because your OL doesn't show up.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:02 am to TrueTigerTale
Denial. That's the stage you are in.
It's ok.
If you thought that offensive game plan last night was cutting edge or some new revelation well....
It's ok.
If you thought that offensive game plan last night was cutting edge or some new revelation well....
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:04 am to CP3forMVP
quote:
not going to say Ensminger isn't a problem, but until we improve along the OL (or atleast stop playing musical chairs at LG and RT) the OC doesn't matter. He's going to come up with a game plan that's going to get blown up because your OL doesn't show up
Yea when the OC's gameplan for a weak oline is long developing play action passing. Who's fault is that?
When you have a weak oline you put your qb in shotgun and have quick routes to throw too not make him turn around for 2-3 seconds to run a play fake that no body is biting on because you have negative rushing yards
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:08 am to TN Bhoy
quote:
A decent OC can work with an inadequate line
Against most teams...maybe, but not against Alabama. Emsminger, imho, is a better than average OC. To suggest a "decent OC" does better is disingenuous. A GREAT OC could have put some points on the board, but last night was going to be a loss no matter who the OC was. The play calls would have been fine on most nights, but not last night. The lack of creativity is my issue. In short, there was no plan B, and that is unacceptable to me.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:11 am to TrueTigerTale
quote:
I was shocked at how much they got pushed around
You were?
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:13 am to jimmy the leg
quote:
Against most teams...maybe, but not against Alabama. Emsminger, imho, is a better than average OC. To suggest a "decent OC" does better is disingenuous. A GREAT OC could have put some points on the board, but last night was going to be a loss no matter who the OC was. The play calls would have been fine on most nights, but not last night. The lack of creativity is my issue. In short, there was no plan B, and that is unacceptable to me.
LSU's Oline was owned last night like it's never been owned before. That is unacceptable.
This post was edited on 11/4/18 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:21 am to CP3forMVP
quote:
until we improve along the OL (or atleast stop playing musical chairs at LG and RT) the OC doesn't matter. He's going to come up with a game plan that's going to get blown up because your OL doesn't show up.
LSU was dominant against teams, until Ala showed up, with its 5 star Oline and 5star Dline, then proceeded to push LSU around like a Div11 school.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:21 am to TrueTigerTale
Arkansas scored 30 on Alabama.
Arkansas.
We scored zero.
Twice, under Ensminger.
You telling me Arkansas has a better and more highly recruited OL than LSU? No.
Ensminger is the problem. He's a good guy and a great Tiger but he's not the future at OC... He's the past.
It's on Orgeron to recognize this and act accordingly, or it's going to be his downfall. Remember, Les Miles' loyalty to an inept offensive coordinator got him fired. If the same hubris and blind loyalty isn't addressed by O, he gone too.
Arkansas.
We scored zero.
Twice, under Ensminger.
You telling me Arkansas has a better and more highly recruited OL than LSU? No.
Ensminger is the problem. He's a good guy and a great Tiger but he's not the future at OC... He's the past.
It's on Orgeron to recognize this and act accordingly, or it's going to be his downfall. Remember, Les Miles' loyalty to an inept offensive coordinator got him fired. If the same hubris and blind loyalty isn't addressed by O, he gone too.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:30 am to Big EZ Tiger
quote:Give me a break! So you’re saying ULL has a better OL than we do? Stupid
but that still disregards the very real fact that LSU’s offensive line is worse than other teams that put up points on Bama.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:35 am to TigerAxeOK
This. "Change the scheme or end the dream" should be shouted down to coach O for the rest of the season. His present scheme has scored ten total points against Alabama in twelve quarters of football. Les Miles refused to upgrade his scheme and he lost HIS job. Get the message or get out.
Posted on 11/4/18 at 9:37 am to LSU GrandDad
quote:
some idiots think that calling plays is all there is to running an offense. Ensmingers play calling has been pretty good. however, it doesn't matter what play you call when you can't run between the tackles, you can't run wide, you can't block well enough to give your QB time to let plays develop and throw. we ran plenty of quick throws last night and completed some; they just weren't enough. several of the passes were blocked but mostly we had to run short routes and even they were covered most of the time.
Why has every oc bama played been more successful than Ensminger? 2 games, frick all for points
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