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atltiger6487
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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They were absolutely killing Cam, and the charge they called on him on that and one was pathetic,
I agree that the charge call was bad, but many of the no-calls on Cam are legit, because Cam leans into defenders to purposely initiate contact in hopes of drawing a foul.

Some refs see that and don't give him the call, especially if defenders stay vertical.


Chicken
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Jackassistan
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
Michigan was the better team...but the missed out of bounds call that led to Michigan points and the foul call on Thomas when it should be been a made shot by him plus a free throw attempt were material calls.


RogerTheShrubber
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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This game was so fixed WTF


jesus christ yall are insufferable lol


Yep.

Good season, about where most expected us to be, time to build on that.

There were bad calls, but the game wasn't fixed, and one call didn't cost LSU the game.


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atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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Michigan was the better team...but the missed out of bounds call that led to Michigan points and the foul call on Thomas when it should be been a made shot by him plus a free throw attempt were material calls.
yes they were, but a Michigan fan can find bad calls that went against them that were material also.

You can't cherry pick bad calls from just one side. They exist on both sides - we just don't notice or remember them because we're not enraged by them.


Chicken
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Jackassistan
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You can't cherry pick bad calls from just one side.
I mean, the dude clearly stepped out of bounds in front of a ref...how is that missed? Michigan scored on that possession...am I crazy to think that the foul on Thomas in the paint was flat out blown?

We are talking about a real 5 point swing.


atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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I mean, the dude clearly stepped out of bounds in front of a ref...how is that missed? Michigan scored on that possession...am I crazy to think that the foul on Thomas in the paint was flat out blown?

We are talking about a real 5 point swing.
I agree, those were two bad calls that went against us.

But have you rewatched the game from a Michigan perspective to see how many points they lost from bad calls?

My point is - I'm not saying we didn't get shafted on some calls. We did.

But bad calls happen in every game, in every sport, against every team. We're only focusing on the ones that hurt us (and that's to be expected) but there were certainly bad calls that hurt Michigan too. We're just not focusing on those at all.


moock blackjack
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
That missed out of bounds call right in front of a ref was a fricking huge turning point


atltiger6487
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That missed out of bounds call right in front of a ref was a fricking huge turning point

I already admitted that, but you didn't answer my question.


massilsu
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
exactly and Michigan was without their best player ..with Isiah Livers ,LSU isnt even in this game .GO BLUE!!!!!!!!!!


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taf
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Member since Dec 2003
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I already admitted that, but you didn't answer my question.


I get your point, and it is legitimate. It is easy to forget bad calls that favor your team. They just don't stick out in your mind. And I do think Michigan got some bad calls and that they outplayed us.

But let me see if I can restate the point that I think a few other posters want to make...
Not all bad calls are the same, even if there are the same total number of bad calls.

WHEN the bad call is made makes a huge difference.

For example, down by six, Cam scores with an obvious opportunity for 3 point play. Cuts it to 3 late in the game. But no...bad call. Negates the (potential) 3 points. Michigan quickly follows up with a 3, making it a 9 point lead instead of 3. Game is essentially over. So, that bad call effectively ends the game. Now maybe Michigan makes the 3 anyway after Cam's 3 point play. But we'll never know. Still, 6 point deficit is different from 9 points.

One doesn't have to believe that it is intended (I don't). I guess it's possible, but I doubt it. I think it's just bad officiating, and it affected LSU more so at that point because we needed to drive to score. We were tired and getting a bit desperate.

Even with that bad call (and the other horrible one where the guy stepped out mentioned above), there is a good chance that we still would have lost that game. Like I said, I think Michigan outplayed us overall. We got little scoring from Watford or Days in the second half, we were tired, we couldn't seem to grab a rebound late, and our bench also gave us little.

But I think people are a little bitter that, because of these late bad calls (at least in part), we will never know. The better team doesn't always win. Hell, Smart was playing out of his mind at the end, trying to will the team to victory. With just a few more breaks (i.e., avoiding a couple of bad calls), we had a good shot.



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dukke v
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
Agreed... and I am a huge LSU fan. The refs didn’t cost us the game... bad shooting cost us the game.


Tiger Ugly
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I agree that the charge call was bad, but many of the no-calls on Cam are legit, because Cam leans into defenders to purposely initiate contact in hopes of drawing a foul. Some refs see that and don't give him the call, especially if defenders stay vertical.


Hey, I get what you're saying atltiger, I'm not a blame the ref guy - we had our chances we did not lose because of the refs, but man they got away with a lot of arm slapping on Cam too and whether he's leaning in or not arm slapping is a foul.

But Watford makes some more free throws and we hit some of the good looks we had when the game was still in doubt we should have been right there at the end.

My main point was that just saying the fouls and foul shots were even doesn't tell the whole story, we did a lot more driving to the goal than they did.


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LCTFAN
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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Madking


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None of those stats disprove the OP. Oregon state shot about 28 free throws last night and should’ve shot 40+ but the refs tried all they could to get Okie State through.


We did not watch the same game.
LSU dominated the first half of the first half.
Michigan's bench and LSU's lack of bench showed and Michigan came back and took the half time lead.

It was obvious LSU's bench was weaker and our starters tired out. LSU simply did not have the better team and it showed. Our starting 5 against there starting 5 all game without substitutions we win the game it's unfortunate that it is a team game and depth played a huge roll in our loss.

But if it makes you feel better then blame the refs.


Madking
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
Nice straw man


LCTFAN
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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Madking


Think about this

“Human nature is so complicated. Those who have little, want a lot. Those who have a lot, think others have more. Those who lose, blame others for the loss.”


Madking
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
Again that’s a straw man. Nothing you’ve said refutes or even addressed the calls that were discussed. You even reposted something I said about a totally different game to create your false accusation. If your stance is officials are always on the level then you’re just naive and living in a fantasy world. The NHL just caught and fired a crooked official today and there’s been a book detailing bent officials in basketball written by a ref who participated in the scams himself.
This post was edited on 3/24 at 7:41 pm


LCTFAN
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Nothing you’ve said refutes or even addressed the calls that were discussed.

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If your stance is officials are always on the level then you’re just naive and living in a fantasy world.


So what is your theory of why the officials rigged the LSU/Michigan game?

Did they meet in a secret location or just a random hotel room
Was the NCAA involved.
Did the announcers attend the meeting.
Did a big ten official attend the collusion meeting
How many referees were there as I am sure this meeting took place well before officials were assigned to this game. The seeding was determined only a week or so prior to the tournament.

or did

The officials just meet at center court and whisper to each other "lets screw LSU today"

I am naive to all this collusion so tell us how this happened and I will get on you side



Fox McCloud
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mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
Leaning in to draw a foul does not change the fact that he was fouled...and the defenders in the Michigan game and the Bama sec tourney game were not vertical.


Tiger Ugly
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Baton Rouge
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re: This game was so fixed WTF
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Leaning in to draw a foul does not change the fact that he was fouled...and the defenders in the Michigan game and the Bama sec tourney game were not vertical.


Agreed, they would feign the vertical after they hacked them, throw their hands straight up as if that's where they were all along...a common ploy - I used to do it quite often when I played. You are taught to show your hands on defense as refs look for that so you shoot them up vertically.

But yeah, arm slapping was going on most times before the faux vertical poses on Cam.

Now again, I'm not agreeing wit the conspiracy and we still had an opportunity to take this game and can look in the mirror.

But it's also fair to say we probably had more bad calls/no calls go against us than Michigan...I think I am pretty fair and objective in that regard watching a game....we had a couple of calls go our way....I think Michigan had a couple or so more than that.


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