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re: This defenses problem is not the linebackers
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:37 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:37 am to LSU GrandDad
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problem
What makes you think there's only one?
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Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:39 am to nukelaloosh
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He would have looked great on second string in a Ragin Cajun Uni
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:41 am to BobBoucher
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Our D line consistently gets knocked back anywhere from 2-4 yards at the snap on running plays.
I watch AJ get mauled by 1 linemen all the time and he is supposed to be the freak
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:42 am to LSU GrandDad
I agree. It is primarily the d-line but we still need some help at LB
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:43 am to LSU GrandDad
nothing concrete other than looking at what happens on the field. our dline never bullrushes over a guy, they never get off blocks. we dont seem to be in as great of condition as we use to be under moffit. The one glaring exception as of late is 2011 where the team had a blend of talent and extremely good work ethic and fitness. we would mash teams and hit them so hard they were scared of us.
this year we have guys that appear slow, and we aren't finishing on tackles or anything to show that we have some strength. its hard to have concrete evidence of this other than more pictures like last year that list guys that didn't go to work outs. I think its a country club attitude that has surrounded our program the last few years.
Id say look at alabama, they have a different look to them. Yes they are clearly talented it but its more than that. They go out and dominate on a pure physical level which starts in the s&c program. IMO its in our best interest to get rid of moffit and call home scott cochran. He is the lynch pin to all the bama success.
this year we have guys that appear slow, and we aren't finishing on tackles or anything to show that we have some strength. its hard to have concrete evidence of this other than more pictures like last year that list guys that didn't go to work outs. I think its a country club attitude that has surrounded our program the last few years.
Id say look at alabama, they have a different look to them. Yes they are clearly talented it but its more than that. They go out and dominate on a pure physical level which starts in the s&c program. IMO its in our best interest to get rid of moffit and call home scott cochran. He is the lynch pin to all the bama success.
This post was edited on 11/13/13 at 10:45 am
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:44 am to LSU GrandDad
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LSU GrandDad
This defenses problem is not the linebackers
we have a mediocre to bad defensive line. i believe that's why miles and company want beckworth at DL. i actually feel pretty good about next years defense knowing the talent we recruited at DL last year. i think we will see much better LB and secondary play immediately if we can put an improved DL out there.
The linebackers are note solely to blame for our problems, but they are a major part of it. Barrow is just not as good without a stud MLB playing next to him. Welter is so far below average in physical ability and technique at his position it's embarrassing, Alexander is a good player with potential to be great, if surrounded by a better cast. I do agree that poor d line play makes it a lot more difficult. Our safeties and CB who have been in the defense a minimum of two years, take terrible angles to tackle, forget assignments, and sometimes fail to locate the ball in the air.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:44 am to Housplants
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I have not seen Welter make any plays at or around the line of scrimmage all season
3 TFL and 1 Sack. He is also credited with a pass breakup. He's not setting the world on fire but let's not engage in hyperbole. 6 tackles per game is low for a mike - no question - but it is some production.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:46 am to LSU GrandDad
Why are they mediocre?
Rasco was a 4 star w/ 3 years in the system.
Johnson was a 5 star w/ 3 years in the system.
Ego was a 4 star w/ 4 years in the system.
Hunter was a 4 start w/ 2 years in the system.
...or have they just not developed?
...or is it our lack of depth behind them to keep them fresh?
FYI, Bama's offensive line included 3 - 3 stars, 1 - 4 star & 1 5 star.
Rasco was a 4 star w/ 3 years in the system.
Johnson was a 5 star w/ 3 years in the system.
Ego was a 4 star w/ 4 years in the system.
Hunter was a 4 start w/ 2 years in the system.
...or have they just not developed?
...or is it our lack of depth behind them to keep them fresh?
FYI, Bama's offensive line included 3 - 3 stars, 1 - 4 star & 1 5 star.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:48 am to LSU GrandDad
The D-Line , especially at DE was a major problem this year, that said in the BAma game there were several running plays where the line did their job holding the O-Line at Bay, the RB had to hesitate and no LB was even close to filling for the tackle.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:49 am to LsuTool
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the defenses problem is the DL, LBs, DBs, position coaches, and D-Coord.
i honestly don't know if you know this or not but your assessment is really stupid. you have blamed everyone but the HC and i'm surprised you didn't throw him in. when you blame coaches, specifically coach haley and chavis, that have been very successful for years, it doesn't make you look very bright. this years team has problems but those two coaches are not the problem. now, the secondary coach may be. also, to blame every player on defense is inane. your post is simply a joke and doesn't add anything to trying to honestly assess the problem. just saying.
This post was edited on 11/13/13 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:51 am to Topwater Trout
quote:They are responsible for not allowing the tackles/guards to get to the second level on run plays, and they are not. A 300 pound lineman on a 220 or so linebacker is no match.
Dline is the biggest problem.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 10:58 am to LSU GrandDad
Who is the leader that is supposed to set the physical tone?
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:05 am to LSU GrandDad
Did you read this on DandyDon?
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:06 am to UAFanFromNOLA
we dont have leaders here
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:13 am to LSU GrandDad
You're exactly right. The problems all trickle back from poor DL play. It's no coincidence that the great defenses over the past 4 years all had great (or at least very good) DL play. If your DL can occupy the blockers up front, it frees up your LBs to make tackles. While the LBs this year haven't been great in their own right, it's even harder to make tackles when the opposing team's OL is busting through your DL and getting to their second level blocks quickly. Likewise, when your front 4 can't put ANY pressure on the QB, you're asking a lot of your DBs to defend against a QB who has all day to survey the field and find open receivers. Poor tackling is also a serious issue, but improve the DL next year and this group gets back to being a top-flight defense again.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:14 am to heartbreakTiger
I can't believe this thread. The Dline is mediocre, but they arent awful. The lbs are awful. Welter may be the worst starting lb in the entire SEC.Barrow hasn't done anything, either. I bet Moseley would still get plenty of tackles if he were playing behind our DLine. Welter is always 5 yds behind the play or hugging an olineman. There was the one time he got juked in the hole, but the rb didn't even juke. The saddest part is he is far from our worst lb apparently.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:17 am to LSU GrandDad
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when you blame coaches, specifically coach haley and chavis, who have been very successful for years
So, while they've had success in the past, they're absolved of any blame when this defense has regressed game by game? No one expected this defense to equal the units in recent memory, but lack of talent doesn't totally explain such poor performance.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:20 am to heartbreakTiger
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its hard to have concrete evidence of this other than more pictures like last year that list guys that didn't go to work outs.
Those pics of lists of who is missing workouts is exactly the problem because the so called "leaders" of the team are on those lists. No example for the want to be great is being set. Losing players like Kelvin Shepard, PP7, Drake Nevis and Michael Brockers, combined with nobody stepping into those roles has been a killer.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:24 am to LSU GrandDad
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we have a mediocre to bad defensive line. i believe that's why miles and company want beckworth at DL. i actually feel pretty good about next years defense knowing the talent we recruited at DL last year. i think we will see much better LB and secondary play immediately if we can put an improved DL out there.
I am starting to fall in line with this thinking. The worst part of the D is the line. It it does cause a ripple effect. No pass rush, screws even the best CBs. No run stuff, makes it difficult for the LBs as the D-line gets pushed around and O-line gets to locking up our LBs. LSU D line has always been superb. This year, the D Line is below average.
With this being said, LBs and Cbs need to make some big time individual plays - ball strip, decleaters, INTs, every once in a while to give us a chance.
Also, if your the DC (the Chief) and you know your D Line in below average, you are handcuffed with what you can do schematically and how aggressive you can get.
I know:
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:25 am to Bengalroar
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The Dline is mediocre, but they arent awful.
they never penetrate or disrupt the blocking. The ends are thrown around like rag dolls. Some said on here the freak was getting double teamed...i watched him get owned one on one against bama. This is the worst dline I can remember and that includes all of the 90's. I am in no way saying our lb's aren't weak but lb has rarely been a strength on our defenses.
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