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re: The Truth About Ed Orgeron’s Hire

Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:13 pm to
Posted by tigahlovah
virginia beach, va
Member since Oct 2009
4216 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:13 pm to
I'm in that 90%, and am on cloud fLucking 500 over the job O is doing, and THRILLED I was wrong. But he also needs to sustain this great program over the long haul. If he can't (and I am not saying he won't), he'll be gone.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
4009 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:16 pm to
TLDR, I was very skeptical of the hire and I'm very happy to be proven wrong and it is working out.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12438 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:22 pm to
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Listen people


No! You listen.
There were plenty of fans disappointed that we “missed” on our first target. However, many rational minded people took a wait and see approach.
From the beginning some pointed out that the others on the short list (and yes, Alleva had a short list), all had questions. Taking the long view many assumed that Orgeron would at the very least stick the cupboard.
He was simply the best alternative at the time.
So, GFY.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:29 pm to
@ Goldrush...

Here's something on LSU. You were part of the pitchfork TD mob who ran Aleva out of town, and you were hellbent to do the same to Coach Orgeron.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88718 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:03 pm to
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You were part of the pitchfork TD mob who ran Aleva out of town


You say this like it's a bad thing
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
Member since May 2018
17756 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:08 pm to
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You say this like it's a bad thing
You are another football-moron who would have run Coach Orgeron out of town if you possibly could have.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:26 pm to
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You have an opportunity now to prove that you're about LSU and giving proper credit to the HC,


NOW??? What about you the last three years? You wouldn't do it, take a wait and see, or just shut up, but now someone else should do what you never attempted to do?
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and all you're interested in doing is stroking your own ego.


You again? What about all the bullshite you have spewed for years? Was that just hatred of the coach?

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For goodness sakes, you've admitted that you've saved a ton of threads to throw them back in people's faces. What does that type of behavior suggest? Think about it.

I just thought about it!!! I think you did the same thing. Problem is you can't use yours because they prove how big of an idiot you have been for the last few years.




Here's a good one and a great example of the opportunity you had to "prove that you're about LSU and giving proper credit." You can't even stand for other team's fans to pull for LSU players:

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Goldrush25: I predict Buckeye going scorched earth on the entire offensive staff and getting banned before the season ends when it becomes apparent that Jeaux won't reach the ridiculous goals he has in his signature.


Jeaux blew those ridiculous goals out of the water by a lot.

Buckeye Jeaux's ridiculous goals:
"Burrow - 1) Completions 68%+, 70%+ not unlikely... 2) 3500+ passing yards. 4000+ not unlikely... 3) 5 to 1 or better TD /INT... 4) Top-5 QB Drafted - [stats in 13 games]"

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=84803098&s=2&p=84801310#84803098

Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:43 pm to
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But the same few people that act like I was this 24/7 hate machine that didn't let anyone say anything positive are just straight up full of shite.



I think you pulled a Hillary on all those posts.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38437 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:50 pm to
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Just seems like some of you have always been more consumed about being right than LSU succeeding. I can only speak for myself but all I was ever concerned about was LSU getting the best guy for the job. And I don't see how you could not have doubts about this coach.


This x100

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Some just had to believe in him because their entire existence is devoted to being contrarian.


I don't think it's that, but it was a unique situation with the native-born piece, the disdain for Miles, etc. It all wrapped up into an interesting moment. Let's still be clear, no one who was 100% Ed from the start is some savant. O's hire, and the reasons for him to get that job did not support any logical decision making process. There was hope, and that's enough for some people. But that's about it. Maybe a small gut feeling that went against all evidence too.

They weren't "right," because the entire thing still is illogical regardless of the outcome. They were right in placing their trust in hope, not in any evidence whatsoever. And that's fine too.


JA even bumbled his way into a good hire (so far), that's still crazy.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 3:51 pm
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:54 pm to
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They weren't "right," because the entire thing still is illogical regardless of the outcome. They were right in placing their trust in hope, not in any evidence whatsoever. And that's fine too.


JA even bumbled his way into a good hire (so far), that's still crazy.




All this BS to say what....you're still pissed off about the way that it happened?

GTFO!
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109721 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:54 pm to
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I don't think it's that, but it was a unique situation with the native-born piece, the disdain for Miles, etc. It all wrapped up into an interesting moment. Let's still be clear, no one who was 100% Ed from the start is some savant. O's hire, and the reasons for him to get that job did not support any logical decision making process. There was hope, and that's enough for some people. But that's about it. Maybe a small gut feeling that went against all evidence too.



It was a weird situation. I've always been of the mindset that the most 'conventional wisdom' type choice will rarely be the best choice in these types of scenarios.

The funny thing with the O hire, though, is you can make an argument that it was nothing but a conventional wisdom type choice, and an equally compelling argument that it was the least possible conventional wisdom type choice - if that makes sense.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38437 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:59 pm to
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All this BS to say what....you're still pissed off about the way that it happened?

GTFO!


All this to say that I hope long term people in charge of LSU make good decisions, and part of that is good process and understanding, when they need to? Yeah that's a terrible thing to support
Posted by EyeOfTheTiger14
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
723 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:02 pm to
Way to geaux! You really told them.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38437 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:03 pm to
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It was a weird situation. I've always been of the mindset that the most 'conventional wisdom' type choice will rarely be the best choice in these types of scenarios.



I agree (I didn't want Fisher or Herman FWIW. However, I did think Herman would at least outperform O). But there's a difference between unconventional wisdom and thorough processes that take in a wide variety of inputs.

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The funny thing with the O hire, though, is you can make an argument that it was nothing but a conventional wisdom type choice, and an equally compelling argument that it was the least possible conventional wisdom type choice - if that makes sense.



No, it makes total sense, and that's why it received the reaction it did.
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
11405 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:03 pm to
I was completely against the hire, but that does not mean that those of us that were at best skeptical does not mean we were "full of shite". At the time of the hire, what information in the public domain would have recommended him over Herman or Fisher or any of a number of other coaches? Please go down the list.

At this point, it looks at though the great majority of Tiger Nation was wrong about his ability as a head football coach, but the conclusion at the time was a rational one.

Sounds like you have some hard feelings or are just insecure. In any case... and
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:04 pm to
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All this to say that I hope long term people in charge of LSU make good decisions, and part of that is good process and understanding, when they need to? Yeah that's a terrible thing to support




SW will make the prudent decisions moving forward.

I've seen too many people...even today....still saying the O hiring process was a clusterfrick....like that somehow diminishes what hes accomplished and everyone should still be mad about it. We got lucky and it worked out should be the only concern at this point. That kinda BS won't happen again on Woodward's watch.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109721 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:04 pm to
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No, it makes total sense, and that's why it received the reaction it did.



Alleva was either a blind squirrel or was crazy like a fox.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297058 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:10 pm to
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You have an opportunity now to prove that you're about LSU and giving proper credit to the HC


Ain't that convenient...
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38437 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:10 pm to
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I've seen too many people...even today....still saying the O hiring process was a clusterfrick....like that somehow diminishes what hes accomplished and everyone should still be mad about it. We got lucky and it worked out should be the only concern at this point. That kinda BS won't happen again on Woodward's watch.


Only because people are asserting they "were right." In such tones throughout this thread. People would drop the insinuations of lucky if other people admitted it was either pure hope, or just love of Louisiana that drove illogical decision making, rather than trying to justify a lot of illogical happenings in the hire.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 4:12 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297058 posts
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:11 pm to
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Can you really see Orgeron leading this program to the CFB playoffs?" is the same thing as can O possibly be successful.


It's exactly what it means...
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