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re: The strike zone box in softball

Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:10 pm to
Thanks captain obvious
Posted by lsufan_26
Member since Feb 2004
12559 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:15 pm to
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When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about

Too bad most of the players are also thinking about said box
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 6:53 pm to
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When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about




Are you a husky teenage girl?
Posted by DaddyGriff
Vidrine, LA
Member since Nov 2003
604 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:31 pm to
When watching the LSU vs Michigan game all I could think of was how terrible the umpire was if that box was accurate. Then today's umpire was just as bad or worse. I think all the box does is make the umpires look bad. Even the commentators were speechless over some of those calls.
Posted by Mickey53
Shreveport
Member since Dec 2009
444 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:39 pm to
I watched it the whole game. The spot was where the catcher caught the ball. Everyone knows it's where the ball crosses the plate. The ump missed a few but don't they all?
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 8:42 pm
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14489 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:44 pm to
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I watched it the whole game. The spot was where the catcher caught the ball. Everyone knows it's where the ball crosses the plate. The ump missed a few but don't they all?


I thought the gal last night was significantly worse than the one today...no bias she was bad for both teams.

There was one sequence where K-Zone had all four balls as strikes and the ump called all four balls and the LSU gal got a walk.
Posted by StevieG504
Metairie
Member since Jun 2013
3487 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:05 pm to
Umpires all have different strike zones but at least they stay consistent with calls(not all of them trust me)

What really pisses me off is make up strikes or balls and calling it one way for one team but is inconsistent with the other team. That's that shite I don't like!
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20364 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:25 pm to
I think a little human error is integral in baseball (probably softball too).

If the catcher is set up just wide and the pitch is so he doesn't have to move at all, you get a strike called a lot.
You make the catcher lunge, you usually get a ball, even if it's technically a strike. The umpire usually rewards control and punishes wildness. If you go 100% to digital/radar etc and remove the ump, you lose that element.
Posted by Meaux Bettah
Tiger Nation
Member since Nov 2011
2591 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:32 pm to
The Box doesn't adjust for shorties like Griggs or someone taller.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20364 posts
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:22 pm to
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The Box doesn't adjust for shorties like Griggs or someone taller
That's why I said put sensors on the plate looking up (inside/outside vs over the plate), and some parallel sensors outside each batter's box, that align with something in the batter's uniform. You lock in the zone based on the batter's stance, and it will catch up/down.

It can be done.

It also wouldn't be as fun, and it would open up the door to "sensor-gate" scandals.

Best, in my opinion, to leave it in the hands of the umps, and leave them open to public (and official) scrutiny to ensure they aren't deliberately cheating on the calls. It's part of the game- pitchers figure out where they can push the zone, and batters figure out what they have to protect.
Posted by TampaTiger22
Tampa, FL
Member since Jul 2012
6669 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 6:38 am to
The marker in the box is where the ball crosses the plate, not where the catcher catches the ball.
Posted by Slick Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
42 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 7:54 am to
I'll admit that I don't know the intricacies of this digital box, but I don't see how a digital box can be representative of home plate which is not shaped like a box. Basically the digital box is a accurate representation of the strike zone every once in awhile. I can see why it is not widely used.
Posted by stniaSxuaeG
Member since Apr 2014
1578 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 7:56 am to
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When I watch softball, that's not the box I'm thinking about
The batter's box?
Posted by northern
Member since Jan 2014
1360 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:10 am to
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I don't see how a digital box can be representative of home plate which is not shaped like a box


Wat?
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:43 am to
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you are referring to last nights game vs Mich I don't agree. The overlay was put in the right place but the centerfield camara was so far off center that it gave a false indication of the lateral position of the pitch. I think this would be better if you centered up the camera. I was appalled at the lack of calls on the low strikes last night so perhaps the elevation was an issue too.


The amount of deviation caused by an off angle camera is a concept many people can not grasp. Prime example is the foul ball Brennan Breau missed in the SEC tournament against UF.
If you line the camera up dead center the pitcher is in the way. Thus the camera is probably 5 or more degrees off center. The greater the distance from home plate to the camera the greater the illusion.
Posted by cusoonkpd
Big Mamou
Member since Apr 2015
1582 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:47 am to
The issue should not be the box. The issue should be the terrible umpiring by these crews. Major college softball should have better officiating than what I have seen this week.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:56 am to
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It just wouldn't be in the spirit of the game; perception of the pitch is part of the allure

I agree.

We'd see a lot more walks as there would be less reason for batters to swing at borderline strikes.

I'd bet on there being stats that would support taking the risk of a called strike on any 3 ball count.
Posted by Meaux Bettah
Tiger Nation
Member since Nov 2011
2591 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 8:57 am to
Pitch after pitch that was in the low generic strike zone called a ball. Bring in the one eyed box dog.
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2609 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 9:01 am to
Nah..... You see the catcher move their mitt every pitch (I used to be a catcher myself) so it can be misleading. I thought the umpires have been relatively consistent. They miss a few (or maybe more) but for the most part I have no problem with it. If anything it's annoying for the fans. You see a pitch show up as right down the middle and the ump calls it a ball. However, on the positive side it does show the strike zone from one angle and that's a start. Don't see anything ever changing. Nothing (literally) to see here. Let's move on....
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 6/5/16 at 9:03 am to
I'm not defending the terrible umps in anyway. I'm just trying to point out the CBS strike zone isn't accurate because it is based on VERY BAD science.
The current box can point out ump inconsistency but in no way is an accurate depiction of the real strike zone.
Which reminds me of another error. There is no way the CBS box can located a pitch over the actual strike zone. The camera doesn't have an accurate idea where the ball is in reference to the line between the pitching rubber and home plate as the pitch passes over home plate. Just because the catcher catches the ball low and out side doesn't mean it was low an outside as it crossed the plate.
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