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re: The running game was not vanilla

Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:22 am to
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
37562 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:22 am to
I was really joking lol, but I was talking about Jack Marruci

Comes down to figuring out what you can do successfully
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 10:23 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
64381 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:26 am to
The issue isn't exclusively being vanilla. The issue is we just can't block ANY run. People harp on creativity because if you can't block a run, you better do something more creative than just slamming the ball into the middle of your line over and over. Try up-tempo, sweeps, fakes, whatever.

There was better creativity this game. The question is why we stopped running those plays for 3-4 games in the middle of the season before getting here. They should be a staple of the offense this year.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12570 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:38 am to
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It was our second highest yards per carry game of the entire season against the P5

Alabama gives up more rushing ypg than any other P5 team we’ve played this year.
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Well then go take away our best runs in all the other games as well

Sure. Yards per rush by the RB’s + Zaivion Thomas, excluding the longest run of each game:

South Carolina - 4.7 ypc
Arkansas - 4.0 ypc
UCLA - 3.1 ypc
USC - 3.1 ypc
Alabama - 3.0 ypc
Ole Miss - 2.6 ypc
A&M - 1.5 ypc

And again, Alabama is giving up more rushing ypg than any other P5 team we’ve played to this point.

On top of that, the one long run by Durham wasn’t anything exotic. It was a stretch zone. And it’s not the first time we’ve run it. If it had been blown up in the backfield or at the LOS, tRant would have been bitching uninspired playcalling and lack of creativity. It’s just that Durham found a lane this time and made a play.

This isn’t the first time we’ve run gadget plays. It’s not the first time we’ve run stretch zone. It’s not the first time we’ve run Zaivion Thomas (though I do think we should have done more of this throughout the year). The problem has never been a vanilla run scheme or a lack of creativity, despite tRant’s constant assertions otherwise.

In fact, I think part of the issue might be that we are trying to do too much instead of doing a couple of things really well. Regardless, the problem is certainly not that we need to do more.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12570 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:50 am to
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People harp on creativity because if you can't block a run, you better do something more creative than just slamming the ball into the middle of your line over and over.

People harp on creativity because they don’t know what they’re talking about and they assume that anything productive is creative, while anything unproductive is vanilla.
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There was better creativity this game.

And yet, outside of one run on a vanilla play (according to Rant standards), it was one of our worst rushing performances of the year.
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The question is why we stopped running those plays for 3-4 games in the middle of the season before getting here.

We didn’t. Those plays mostly got blown up so tRant assumed it was the same old thing. Remember the stretch play on 4th down against Ole Miss that everyone hated? It was supposed to be a power shovel to Thomas. Jackson (or Nussmeier, or both) fricked up on the fake.

Now.. were a quarter of our rushing attempts gadget plays before this weekend? No. But that’s an absurd standard. At some point if you can’t run power against a 5-man box, the problem isn’t the play call. You said it:
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The issue is we just can't block ANY run.
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1482 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:59 am to
Offensive line gets physically pushed around ! Very weak but decent pass protection ? Go figure.
Posted by Cenlabration
The Ville of Pine
Member since Apr 2021
1343 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:26 am to
I agree with you that the run game has not been vanilla. I don't think it's been vanilla all year to be honest. There seems to be no flow to the run game. It's like ...let's try this now, let's try this now, let's try this now. They have become a soft passing offense over the past few seasons. That's a psychology and mindset that's hard to change. We built an offense around Jayden and now he's gone. The OL run game has been about bad as I've seen at LSU. They are a pass blocking OL thats all they know, it's like its in their DNA now. We also have a very bad center. Honestly our best run blocker last year was Mac Markway, losing him is not talked about enough.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26119 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:31 am to
We did do better with running plays. No doubt. That was a positive. But taking Durham out after the long run to the red zone in the 1st series was a real head scratcher.
Posted by Cenlabration
The Ville of Pine
Member since Apr 2021
1343 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:39 am to
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But taking Durham out after the long run to the red zone in the 1st series was a real head scratcher.


He has to still be hurting more than they're letting on. That's the only way it makes sense.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78036 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 11:41 am to
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Somebody call that guy who changed the run game Os last year against Florida.


we figure out they couldn’t stop a counter and ran its like 25 times.

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12570 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:20 pm to
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I don't think it's been vanilla all year to be honest. There seems to be no flow to the run game. It's like ...let's try this now, let's try this now, let's try this now.

Yeah that’s what it feels like to me as well.

I remember hearing some comments from Sloan early in the year, maybe even before the opener, where he talked about how our playbook is wide open. I’m paraphrasing, but it was something along the lines of “our system is set up so that we can run just about any combination of formation and play.”

At the time it sounded like a good thing. In hindsight, I can’t help but wonder if that’s part of the problem in the running game. Even within a single rushing concept, there are going to be a lot of nuances to the blocking assignments based on formation and defensive alignment. This is especially true in the power rushing game where you have pulling linemen and a TE who may be on the line, in the slot/wing, or in motion at the snap.

Is it a case where our guys are thinking too much? Sometimes it’s better to be good at a couple of things than be meh at a lot of things. Jack of all trades, master of none so to speak.

I’m speculating but it wouldn’t surprise me if this were part of the issue. Particularly for a young OC who maybe hasn’t learned how to be pragmatic about the playbook yet.
Posted by FutureCorridor49
US 90
Member since May 2023
588 posts
Posted on 11/11/24 at 12:48 pm to
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they consistantly pulled Caden out when they got into the redzone
Whoever keeps doing this needs to be fired yesterday.

Inexcusable
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