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Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:25 pm to jwill37
So you first tout Orgeron's lack of involvement in game strategy as a positive, now you're angry that others are simply acknowledging what he is?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Some of you people give yourselves way to much credit with thinking you know anything about running a big time college team. Give it a break
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:30 pm to TheHat7
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Dabo urban Miles weren't. And tbey are 3 of the winningest coaches in the modern era. I see O as the same type of coaxh as miles. Players coach who can recruit. Miles coached oline O dline. CEO types.
I feel like Urban and Dabo could both be offensive coordinators if they wanted to. They have brilliant offensive minds.
Miles was an OC at OSU St first.. for like 2 years.. Miles actually is a very detailed coach with the offensive line. I don't think he's a good offensive coach, but he does run a great program as a HC.
I just don't know if O has the knowledge to be a DC. Could be wrong.
Any ways, I prefer a coach to at least lock up one side of the ball so your coordinator changes aren't that big of a deal. I feel like LSU can always attract great defensive coordinators and have great defensive talent.. so I'd prefer an offensive minded coach as HC.. especially one that can truly coach up a COLLEGE qb. QB is still the most important position on the field.
Fun fact, Urban started out as a defensive coach then switched to offense. He obviously has a tremendous football mind.
I just don't see how O is similar to any of them.. plus it's rare for this model to work. I would much prefer we have an x and o's HC.. but it is what it is.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:38 pm to Manswers
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The problem with O, particularly when things were tough earlier in the year, was that he wasn't a unifier.
Total bullshite.
He tried to simplify the offense for one half of a game to help with execution and cut down on penalties that everyone on this board was livid about. If he wasn't a unifier LSU wouldn't have won three SEC games.
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Honestly, if he is not the guy inspiring people, having their back, instilling confidence and trust as a manager, even if he is not qualified as an OC or DC, he won't succeed long term
He shouldn't have any problems being successful long term then.
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It's going to take more than throwing money at elite OCs and DCs to get them to come here. You might be tired of hearing it, but that's reality.
More bullshite. Reality my arse !!! More like made up idiocy you're trying to pass off as some ridiculous unrealistic BS reality.
A guy making half a million will come here for a million dollar raise unless he is such an idiot LSU shouldn't want him anyway.
Another reason - why would LSU need to hire another coordinator? Most likely because the previous guy got a head coaching job.
So a guy making 1/2 mill sees a coordinator at LSU get a head job and is offered a million dollar a year raise and says NO? Sure man sure, great reality right there dude !!!
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I hope things have gotten better between O and Canada
What makes you think they ever needed to get better? A BS tweet by the hack known as Chris Landry?
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but if they aren't, it really is all on Orgeron because LSU is paying him $3M+ to be an inspirational, elite manager.
Make up shite, then make a ridiculous statement based on the made up shite. Is this reality also?
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promoting Aranda to HC rather than getting rid of either coordinator.
I like Aranda. But, is he the best DC in college football? NO
Has he ever run a program? Has he ever even hired an administrative assistant? Does he have the personality/charisma to run a program including recruit? When he turns over the defense to a new defensive coordinator will the defense still be as good since he now has to run a football program including coaches shows, conference calls, etc, etc, etc.
Reality?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:40 pm to LSU GrandDad
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this criticism is from people that don't know how real football works.
Give me a fricking break. How does "real football" work, old man river?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:44 pm to beauchristopher
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I just don't know if O has the knowledge to be a DC. Could be wrong.
Well, he's been coaching since what... the late 80s? And no one has ever taken a flier on him as a defensive coordinator to date. I feel like that kind of tells the story.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:48 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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It's because I happen to think this system is plain and simple unsustainable without a head guy who is the visionary and program builder on at least one side of the ball
You know better than anyone else.
Oh, Urban Meyer says you're right and then snickers as he counts his NC trophies, rings and money.
Oh, Dabo Swinney agrees. He thinks if he was ever a coordinator he would have more than one national championship. But he's doing all he can with what he has to work with.
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THAT'S the problem for me, because the reliance is on perpetually having to hire the best in the business to make up for the head guy's lack of expertise and then worrying about how long each new coordinator will take to install the "new" system he brings with him.
It's okay, don't worry too much about it. Saban is a defensive guy who has changed OC's twice in the last four years. Hasn't hurt Bama too much. Matter of fact, he has a new OC this year. Maybe Nick is really running the offense also.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:50 pm to Tiger Ree
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I like Aranda. But, is he the best DC in college football? NO
He has as strong a case for it as anyone.
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Has he ever run a program?
How hard could it be if Orgeron does it?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:51 pm to jwill37
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who gives a shite if he also relies on his coordinators to do their part.
Most every head coach does. The idiots here latched on to one thing they can dog the LSU coach about. It's true he was never a coordinator. Even though others haven't either and have multiple NC's to show for it, it's still something they can bitch about.
And they aint happy if they aint bitchin.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 6:53 pm to Tiger Ree
I hope you're on O's payroll.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:02 pm to Tigerbait357
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When they makes as much essentially as the head coach
$2 million more per year is essentially the same? Your essentially has a huge margin of difference. I would say Way more than everyone else essentially !!!
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Way more than everyone else essentially
Essentially for sure?
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The reality is O isn't a specialist on either offense or defense. While he has coached a D line he has never been a defensive coordinator and handled that entire unit.
I'm sure he has been around it enough to know what is going on. He was offered a DC position but LSU gave him a raise to stay in BR.
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Sure it looks okay at the moment but the carousel of coordinators doesn't seem like a very successful long term option
Most every college football team in the country, besides the DC at Virginia Tech, deals with the coaching carousel all the time. It's not something exclusive to LSU.
For all you know Aranda and Canada may both be at LSU in 2025.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:05 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Who are the successful head coaches who wouldn't be at least as good as either his defensive or offensive coordinator (depending upon his specialty)?
Who are the defensive or offensive coordinators who have been promoted or hired by another program to be the head coach and then got fired because they sucked as the head man? Do you think there has ever been one or two that this may have happened with?
Idiots on this board seem to think that being a coordinator guarantees some unbelievable amount of success as a head coach.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:06 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:08 pm to jwill37
Miles depended on his coordinators when the team won a big game. When they lost or struggled in a game, he was meddling with the coordinators and should stay away. 
THe hate for the man in here was relentless.
He was also the reason Brandon Harris struggled at LSU and now that Harris has went to a totally different offense and also fooled Fedora, its still Miles' fault.
And now its the complete opposite in here. Whenever LSU shits the bed its someone else's fault and when they do well Coach O is the next great SEC coach.
THe hate for the man in here was relentless.
He was also the reason Brandon Harris struggled at LSU and now that Harris has went to a totally different offense and also fooled Fedora, its still Miles' fault.
And now its the complete opposite in here. Whenever LSU shits the bed its someone else's fault and when they do well Coach O is the next great SEC coach.
This post was edited on 11/9/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:11 pm to SportTiger1
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The point is, LSU needs the 'surest thing' we can get.
Seeing a guy run THE program for seven games pretty much makes it a surer thing than anything besides hiring Nick Saban.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:15 pm to jwill37
Les was an actual offensive coordinator. Ed O has never been a coordinator.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:19 pm to beauchristopher
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feel like Urban and Dabo could both be offensive coordinators if they wanted to
Doesn't change the fact that they weren't. Coach Eaux could have been a defensive coordinator if he had wanted.
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I just don't know if O has the knowledge to be a DC. Could be wrong.
We're talking coaching here. I'm sure there are a lot of successful coaches out there who can't balance their checkbook and who couldn't be trusted to go to the grocery store on their own. You don't have to get doctorate degree to coach athletes.
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I just don't see how O is similar to any of them
None of them were ever coordinators for one thing. They all coach P5 programs with history and potential to exceed for another.
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I would much prefer we have an x and o's HC..
I'd just as well have Aranda and Canada. They may not be the best but with a healthy and experienced team they should be more than adequate.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:23 pm to lsu2006
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And no one has ever taken a flier on him as a defensive coordinator to date. I feel like that kind of tells the story.
Do you people make up lies just to make a point or is everyone totally oblivious and refuse to do even a very little research before posting bullshite?
Posted on 11/9/17 at 8:10 pm to Tiger Ree
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Who are the defensive or offensive coordinators who have been promoted or hired by another program to be the head coach and then got fired because they sucked as the head man? Do you think there has ever been one or two that this may have happened with?
Idiots on this board seem to think that being a coordinator guarantees some unbelievable amount of success as a head coach.
That doesn't answer my question or even address the point. Name another big time program head coach who you wouldn't want to see as either your offensive or defensive coordinator.
You can't.
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