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re: The real reason no half time adjustments were made.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:00 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:00 pm to Hot Carl
A big a like a blocked field goal? The offense gameplan was obviously to wear out the D by going side to side then pound them up the middle once they were tired. You have to actually move the ball to thirteen out though. Miles stayed the course...but Bama was too prepared.
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Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:05 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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The real reason no half time adjustments were made.
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could see Les saying to himself at halftime, "If the players can't execute the plays we practiced for the last month, why would I want to switch anything up and make it worse?" Plus, the game plan was never given a shot in the first half for the above reasons but it looked very promising.
Ok.
Why not after the end of the 3rd quarter?
Middle of the 4th quarter when still only down by 2 possesions?
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:07 pm to PRK
quote:Sad but true. I appreciate his "want" to be LSU's QB, but I am glad he's that no longer. And...
I'm not one of the people running around saying JJ is a terrible person. But I will say that he isn't a good QB, and played the worst game of his life on the biggest possible stage
quote:So true. What might have been if JJ had been given some bench time to cool down, who knows? But neither JL nor Mett could have done any worse if they had just had the chance.
I'm not sure why he wasn't replaced with JL, but I'm confident that there wasn't a play we could call with this QB, against that defense, that would have worked Monday night.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:34 pm to JawjaTigah
I was thinking the same thing as the OP. At first, it semmed like our offense was not effective due to the "jitters" (fumbled snaps, false start penalities, etc.) Those 1st and 15s really hurt our 1st down game plan I think. And by the time Les thought about replacing Jefferson with Lee, it was too late. If Jefferson was getting eaten up by that pass rush than Lee would have gotten demolished. That being said, Lee should have seen at least a series of game time by the second quarter after it was obvious that Jefferson and the option was not going to get us anywhere.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:53 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:so you would rather not to lose 34-0, instead of trying to win?
I could see Les saying to himself at halftime, "If the players can't execute the plays we practiced for the last month, why would I want to switch anything up and make it worse?"
Posted on 1/13/12 at 1:54 pm to BigBrod81
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They prepared for the option with Jefferson & once that was taken away, Jefferson was sitting duck because he just wasn't going to able to make the throws that were needed.
Herein lies one of the strangest proclamations by all of the experts and analysts and fans: That we are good at running the option. We're not. I suppose this sentiment came from the success GA Southern had against Bama. LSU was sometimes effective from time to time running the option against all levels of competition, but the idea that the silver bullet against the Alabama defense was going to be the option (a la Nebraska vs. Miami), is/was laughable. We were also ineffective at running the option at times this season, as well. And JJ isn't a good candidate for running the option for the same reason that he isn't a good candidate to be a pocket passer: He doesn't make good, quick decisions. The clock in his head is 2 or 3 seconds slower than Peyton Manning's in the pocket, and a half second slower than an Eric Crouch on the option. Neither drop back passing, nor option was going to work for JJ against Alabama.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:00 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:actually, they got the ball first and drove down for yet another FG. Basically, their offense had three straight drives (including the last two of the first half) that went for nearly 60 yards each and led to FG's. Despite getting one first down on our first drive of the 2nd half, we had to punt to them and got the personal foul call on the play. Actually a bad start...
.The start of the 3rd quarter went well. We shut them down with our defense got the ball back and came out swinging
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:11 pm to PRK
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I will say that he isn't a good QB
Now wait just 1 minute here Mr PRK, am I reading this correctly, your saying JJ is not a good QB? This is earth shaking, ground breaking information! Ive been on this site for over 2 years now, and have not seen this type of Bomb here. We need to get hold of Mr Michael Cauble over at WBRZ, and get this on the 5 oclock edition ASAP!
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:24 pm to GFunk
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No, we didn't. They got the ball to start, & drove down & kicked a field goal, dude. I stopped reading after that.
NO...Alabama got the ball to start the second half and scored on a field goal. WE did not get the ball to start. I stopped reading after that..
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:25 pm to Chicken
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actually, they got the ball first and drove down for yet another FG. Basically, their offense had three straight drives (including the last two of the first half) that went for nearly 60 yards each and led to FG's. Despite getting one first down on our first drive of the 2nd half, we had to punt to them and got the personal foul call on the play. Actually a bad start..
I was referring to the first offensive drive starting well...we were attacking through the air...pushing the ball...until Upshaw went unblocked and put LSU in 3rd and 14.
1-10-LSU24 (12:42) Jordan Jefferson passed incomplete to Odell Beckham.
2-10-LSU24 (12:36) Jordan Jefferson passed to Odell Beckham for 19 yards.
1-10-LSU43 (12:06) Spencer Ware rushed for 2 yards.
2-8-LSU45 (11:30) Courtney Upshaw sacked Jordan Jefferson for a loss of 6 yards.
3-14-LSU39 (10:48) Jordan Jefferson rushed for 8 yards.
4-6-LSU47 (10:13) Brad Wing punted for 43 yards. Christion Jones made a faircatch. LSU was penalized 15 yards.
I still contend that was not a legal fair catch signal...he did not put his hand "obviously above his head" as the rules clearly state. But it wouldn't have mattered
This post was edited on 1/13/12 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:39 pm to NHTIGER
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Yep, Hugo believes Coach Les Miles can do no wrong. That's his right, certainly. But it sure takes away from any pretense of being objective in his Opening post!
I must admit I was a little high off the Miles kool-aid at that time...can you blame for being excited...The BCSNCG really brought me back to reality...dammit.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:39 pm to RedPop4
The biggest problem was we were playing to not lose, instead of playing to win. That is the philosophy Les had through-out the game. We thought he was minimizing chances for mistakes and trying to keep the game close enough that a breakout play would be all that was needed.
But when you play for the crystal, you have to play to win. You make immediate adjustments.
His gameplan was a little arrogant. He thought he could hold everything close because of the history of this great season, and as a result, he didn't gameplan well enough. He thought owning Saban the last 2 times was enough evidence that his methods were good enough, but it's pretty simple to shut down an offense that is as vanilla as ours if there is enough talent on the other side of the ball, and so Saban adjusted and planned better.
I personally am a fan of the kitchen sink mentality. If you have zero points on the board late in the 4th quarter and nothing has worked all night, I'm with Hillary and Newt Ginrich, throw everything at them and see what sticks....you have nothing to lose at the point.
But when you play for the crystal, you have to play to win. You make immediate adjustments.
His gameplan was a little arrogant. He thought he could hold everything close because of the history of this great season, and as a result, he didn't gameplan well enough. He thought owning Saban the last 2 times was enough evidence that his methods were good enough, but it's pretty simple to shut down an offense that is as vanilla as ours if there is enough talent on the other side of the ball, and so Saban adjusted and planned better.
I personally am a fan of the kitchen sink mentality. If you have zero points on the board late in the 4th quarter and nothing has worked all night, I'm with Hillary and Newt Ginrich, throw everything at them and see what sticks....you have nothing to lose at the point.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:40 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
The reason no adjustments were made is b/c Les didnt want Shep telling him what to do.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:55 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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I was referring to the first offensive drive starting well...we were attacking through the air...pushing the ball...until Upshaw went unblocked and put LSU in 3rd and 14.
there was something funny on that play. That was a designed block, not a missed assignment, and JJ and the left guard had a 5-10 second conversation at the line of scrimmage before the play started. Looked like some confusion on the play call. On the replay I saw the same exact block (leaving the defender open) in the first half on a play where the call was a run to the left.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 2:57 pm to horndog
Come to think of it, our game plan did kinda look a lot like the shitty Gary Crowton/Miles strategy. But I still contend that mental mistakes prevented the plan from even having a chance to succeed or fail in the first half.
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