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re: The problem is not with our offense is...

Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:05 pm to
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:05 pm to
oh, i forgot to add. Crowton sucks. I am trying to find a way to defend him, and it's really hard.
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:06 pm to
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When you start at your own 47 and can't score on 5+ separate drives, you have a problem(s).


FAIL...major FAIL. they scored on every single possession but two, and one of those was a fumble and another was after a dropped td by sheppard. You idiots are amazing. "by god, I don't care how much we win by, we didn't have 75 offensive plays and they had more time of possession dammit"..."who gives a frick about score....i want to control the clock and run more plays dammit"...."and while i'm at it, I want miles to be a great public speaker...frick the 54-15 record".....LOL...you guys are amazing.
Posted by mt1
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:06 pm to
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He gives jj the reins and the team rallies around him, he does not make the same mistakes as JL and has the players respect. there is more unity, and probably less complaining and bitching. Also, it helps the d play better because he is not constantly turning it over.


I'm sure our receivers are jumping for joy.
Our D is on the field plenty with this offense.
Posted by Dead Fish
In the swamps
Member since Mar 2010
1586 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:07 pm to
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Uhh...if we have been running it since 2002 lets see...that means we ran it in 2003 when we had 28 touchdown passes, we ran it with Russell in 2005 and 2006 when we had the most feared passing game in the conference, we ran it in 2007 when it was good enough for a NC, we ran it with TWO different OC's, the first of which is now the HC at Fla St. and the second of which won the NC in 2007.

I would ask if you are retarded but the answer seems quite clear don't you think?


Actually we've been running Crowton's option route passing scheme since 2008, and that's when all the problems started occurring. Before that we ran Jimbo Fisher's offensive scheme through 2007. Yes our offense for the most part in 2007 was Jimbo Fisher's. What he is referring to is Crowton's option route scheme has been fricking up offenses since long before Crowton ever arrived here to frick up ours.

Posted by mt1
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:08 pm to
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FAIL...major FAIL. they scored on every single possession but two, and one of those was a fumble and another was after a dropped td by sheppard. You idiots are amazing. "by god, I don't care how much we win by, we didn't have 75 offensive plays and they had more time of possession dammit"..."who gives a frick about score....i want to control the clock and run more plays dammit"...."and while i'm at it, I want miles to be a great public speaker...frick the 54-15 record".....LOL...you guys are amazing.


Read the fricking statement in context with the other sentences. I should have inserted TDs but oh fricking well. FG=/=TDs
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:09 pm to
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When you start at your own 47 and can't score on 5+ separate drives, you have a problem(s)


Sure, but it is different problems.

Of those five drives, one stall was caused by a drop by a WR.

One stall was caused by the defense making a good execution (DL batting the screen down at the line)

One stall came after three straight running plays were called.

Two were arguably on the QB.
Posted by oak
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2007
330 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:10 pm to
mike4lsu, I totally agree that Miles is fundamentally into running over passing, with little regard to whether his running game is even effective. However, I disagree that he's ok with being a middle-road team, I think he's deluding himself into believing that we can consistently compete for titles with a miserable offense (like ours).
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
33 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:10 pm to
they don't equal td's you dumbass, but they do equal points vs not scoring at all. AND, they were not 3 and out type drives.....people like you.....i'm dead serious....you just are very intellectualy challenged. Maybe a high-school education....perhaps not....no big picture at all......."this team sux, other team had more plays, dammit...we should score a td every single possession dammit....we are lsu, winning by 3 touchdowns in a sec game is unacceptable"...lmao. Idiot.
Posted by mt1
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:11 pm to
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DF, you have a QB that just isn't a good decision maker. Period. So, you simplify the decisions to be made, and run the ball.




Well then if he isn’t a good decision maker according to your absurd speculation, then why isn’t his backup the starter? I agree that the option route passing scheme isn’t worth a shite since it is extremely hard for the QBs and the receivers to get on the same page, but it doesn’t mean JJ is a poor decision maker, it means that the scheme isn’t worth a shite!


You are slacking DF. Why didn't you call him a racist?
Posted by AntiAntiTiger
Member since Sep 2010
33 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:11 pm to
and you are going to see why it is much better to develop a strong running game.....just watch arkansas over the next several weeks.
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:12 pm to
Quote: He is content on being a middle of the road SEC team, the sort of Oklahoma State of the SEC West.

Do u not watch his press conferences? He may not have had the best record the past couple of years, but don't you think that he doesn't want or works at winning every game? Saying that a head coach wants to be the coach of a mediocre team is just oblivious.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:12 pm to
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FAIL...major FAIL. they scored on every single possession but two, and one of those was a fumble and another was after a dropped td by sheppard. You idiots are amazing. "by god, I don't care how much we win by, we didn't have 75 offensive plays and they had more time of possession dammit"..."who gives a frick about score....i want to control the clock and run more plays dammit"...."and while i'm at it, I want miles to be a great public speaker...frick the 54-15 record".....LOL...you guys are amazing.
i hear what you are saying. But we do need to run the ball better and that is a FACT. Siting on the (5 yard line?) and running off tackle 3 times to the same place over and over into a bunch of maroon jerseys just aint gonna get it done. But i guess he figures 3 points is better then a possible int in the end zone. Had we been down a touchdown it probably would have been a different story. Once or TE gets healthy he will help ALOT in the red zone i hope. He needs more creative play calling from crowton, and miles needs some of his sac back.

THe more he is comfortable with the offense the more we can play to win and not to lose. Frustrating i know. But it is amateur football and no college team is perfect. Gotta do the best with the hand your delt.
Posted by mt1
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:13 pm to
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Sure, but it is different problems.

Of those five drives, one stall was caused by a drop by a WR.

One stall was caused by the defense making a good execution (DL batting the screen down at the line)

One stall came after three straight running plays were called.

Two were arguably on the QB.


I covered my bases; there is an "(s)" at the end. You will never get DF to admit to your last sentence because JJ is fricking awesome.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33148 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:14 pm to
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Low risk, low reward.


not everyone thinks this is such a bad idea:
quote:

LSU is playing not to lose - and not doing such a bad job of it.


quote:

I don’t believe that Crowton has forgotten how to call imaginative and inventive plays. He certainly did in 2007, when the offense had a new wrinkle virtually every week.

But there’s something else that LSU had in 2007: Matt Flynn. Not the most talented quarterback LSU’s ever had, but a heady leader who wasn’t going to get you beat.


quote:

In 2008, Jarrett Lee and his, what was it, 93 pick-sixes, got LSU beat to the tune of an 8-5 season, though to be fair it was Jordan Jefferson who quarterbacked the Tigers to a loss at Arkansas and a bowl win over Georgia Tech at the end. But it is that experience that I think still colors LSU’s offensive character and greatly influences the Tigers’ play calling.

So, here now is the basic strategy: lots of running plays, lots of short to intermediate passes, rely on a tough defense and strong special teams play.


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Playing not to lose isn’t necessarily a bad strategy - if you have the defense. And LSU apparently has the defense. The Tigers essentially gave up one sustained drive to the Bulldogs, and while they surrendered a season-high 152 yards rushing (Bully came in averaging 157.0), LSU turned State’s already questionable passing game into an aerial mine field. Five Tiger interceptions - two each by Patrick Peterson (the All-American added to his highlight reel by that first tip-drill grab) and Morris Claiborne, one by Drake Nevis (Drake, if you want me to be your agent, I’m available) were the most in a game for LSU since the Tigers picked six at State to open the 2007 season.


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Again, playing not to lose isn’t necessarily a bad strategy if that’s your best (or only) option. It’s led to many a victory over the years for Ohio State and Jim Tressel, and though “The Vest” certainly has his detractors in the Buckeye State - they don’t call them “The Luckeyes” for nothing - the man wins. A lot. It’s a resume that includes a national title in 2002 and a string of five straight Big Ten titles


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The formula LSU is using right now also isn’t that dissimilar to what Gene Stallings’ Alabama teams used to do back in the 1990s. Bama made a killing back then of relying on a rock-hard defense and putting up just enough points to pile up the “Ws.”


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Can the Tigers play this way and win every game? Certainly not. But given the fact LSU hasn’t gone unbeaten since 1958, and no one of realistic mind would have ever predicted this LSU team to do so, this is not at all surprising.

And, it could end up producing a pretty successful season. At this point, every one of LSU’s opponents except Alabama looks to have an Achilles’ heel. West Virginia is beatable, Tennessee is thin, Florida has issues on offense, too. McNeese State is a lay-up, Auburn beat Mississippi State by three, Louisiana-Monroe is another rent-a-win and Ole Miss’ defense is atrocious. Arkansas appears to be another stern test at season’s end, but not an unwinnable game. Neither, I’m convinced, is Alabama. Who knows how healthy or how the Crimson Tide will be playing by Nov. 6?


[quote]If you’re fretting and fuming over LSU’s offense right now and blaming Miles for everything from potholes on your drive to work to oil in the Gulf, I pose this question: would you rather be a Mississippi State fan? State coach Dan Mullen is lauded as a top-notch offensive mind, and his Bulldogs were the darling of many pundits to be a dark horse - or at least a noisemaker - in the SEC this season.

But, again, here State sits, 1-2 overall and 0-2 in the SEC after losing to LSU and Auburn. A Mississippi State team that only lost by 10 to LSU in 2008 and by four to the Tigers last year in Starkville was really dominated by LSU despite the statistical anomalies (MSU outgained LSU 268-264 and had one more first down, 17-16.

And, of course, there’s the biggest stat of all: LSU doesn’t lose to State. The Tigers have now won 11 in a row over the Bulldogs (their longest streak ever vs. MSU) and 18 of the last 19. Mullen can be as clever as Thomas Edison and invent football’s version of the better light bulb, but he doesn’t have the horsepower that Miles has and probably never will.

But State has a stylish, inventive offense. Unfortunately for Bully, style points don’t count for nearly as much as the real thing.[/quote]

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Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40881 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:16 pm to
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I'm sure our receivers are jumping for joy.
Our D is on the field plenty with this offense.
i hear ya man. It is what it is. Maybe he figures it is the lesser of the two evils. It still sucks though.

btw, that is one fricking funny avatar
Posted by Dead Fish
In the swamps
Member since Mar 2010
1586 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:17 pm to
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But yeah, JL can throw better. whoooopppeee!


No not really. He may have a quicker release, but his arm and his accuracy isn't as good as JJ's is in games. If you believe otherwise, re-watch the La Tech game from last season.
Posted by mt1
LV
Member since Nov 2006
7658 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:17 pm to
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they don't equal td's you dumbass, but they do equal points vs not scoring at all. AND, they were not 3 and out type drives.....people like you.....i'm dead serious....you just are very intellectualy challenged. Maybe a high-school education....perhaps not....no big picture at all......."this team sux, other team had more plays, dammit...we should score a td every single possession dammit....we are lsu, winning by 3 touchdowns in a sec game is unacceptable"...lmao. Idiot.


So I'm a dumbass for pointing out that while we did technically move the ball, we didn't move it very far or that if we start on the 20 instead of the 47 we probably would have punted a few more times? The teams we play in the next four weeks will not lay down and die like State did. Let's see what your posts look like after our first loss.
Posted by Dead Fish
In the swamps
Member since Mar 2010
1586 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:22 pm to
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I'm sure our receivers are jumping for joy.
Our D is on the field plenty with this offense.


I know that like an idiot you believe JJ is the problem, but you are wrong. The problem is the ultra conservative play calling.
Posted by Dead Fish
In the swamps
Member since Mar 2010
1586 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:25 pm to
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You are slacking DF. Why didn't you call him a racist?


Because unlike you did he didn't make or insinuate racist things.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
56599 posts
Posted on 9/22/10 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

committed to running the ball over passing in a power I or whatever with a few safe short passes here and there


That will never work in the SEC with great recruits.

Sincerely,
Alabama, the team that hasn't lost a conference game in 2+ years
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