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re: The problem is Cam - and here's proof
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:49 pm to TigerFan244
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:49 pm to TigerFan244
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The coach has to match the student. Cam has never had experience developing dual threat QBs and yet, we keep recruiting them
Harris was the first QB that Cam recruited (at LSU)..
I don't know if Miles "made him" but yeah. It was a bad move if he wasn't comfortable teaching him or running our entire offense through him.
Regardless of whether or not he was the highest ranked QB in state (and 3rd best DT).. either way Cam is definitely a problem.
Harris is not really the problem though. He's our QB make the offense work with him. Don't make him work with the offense.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:50 pm to TigerFan244
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It takes a completely different skill set to coach all Pro QBs than it does to develop a high school kid who's never taken a snap under center.
Harris was basically hand picked by cam, but I'm getting tired of this snap under center bullshite.
Harris has had just as much time running LSU offense as he did his hs offense.
And going off of last weekend, Harris was much, much better from under center than in the shotgun.
The spread won't work if your wr continues to drop ball after ball. No offense will work except just running it.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:50 pm to TigerFan244
Dude, go all the way back to Auburn in 2006.
We blamed Jimbo for that. Then we blamed Crowton for getting away from what was killing Kentucky in 2007.
Then we blamed whoever the OC was after that. now it's Cam's fault?
I agree that Cam is not working out and needs to go. But the common denominator in all of the offensive issues since 2005 has been Les Miles.
Hell if even be willing to see what Cam can do as OC without Miles in the picture though I think they will leave as a package.
We blamed Jimbo for that. Then we blamed Crowton for getting away from what was killing Kentucky in 2007.
Then we blamed whoever the OC was after that. now it's Cam's fault?
I agree that Cam is not working out and needs to go. But the common denominator in all of the offensive issues since 2005 has been Les Miles.
Hell if even be willing to see what Cam can do as OC without Miles in the picture though I think they will leave as a package.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:52 pm to tgerb8
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Harris is not really the problem though. He's our QB make the offense work with him. Don't make him work with the offense.
Throws high, can't make the rt read, doesn't know when to tuck and run. And even when he made good passes, Dupre sucked.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:53 pm to TigerFan244
It's not because he doesn't have a pro style QB. Rettig and Jennings came in the same class (hell Jennings was listed as a pro style by most if not all recruiting services), so why didn't Rettig play over Jennings? Why did Rivers, after 3 years in a pro style type of environment, wasn't even in the discussion for starting after Mett left?
Harris came right in and competed with Jennings to start which is why Rivers left, and Rettig left.
Cam fixes little things in already good-great QBs, that's what he does, and is why he was successful at the next level.
Crowton was also not known for coaching QBs to be legit right out of high school, but he could damn sure make a pretty decent offense with good ones.
Miles's OCs are terrible for young and raw QBs out of high school, and he doesn't go after any guys that have a track record of great QB development in college.
Cam Cameron was awful at the college level for offense and developing QB. Randle El's best passing season was almost as bad as Harris stats from last year. Indiana's offense didn't hit 30 points per game but once in his 5 year tenure and they mostly hovered around 26-27 points per game during his time with Randle El.
I have no idea why Miles hires who he hires as OCs, but they are obviously to the detriment of the team. Cam was good in 2013 because he had a baby NFL team on his offense. All he had to do was install his bits and pieces into NFL ready prospects (Jr La'El, RSso Turner, RSsr Mett, Jr Beckham, Jr Landry, "RS"so Hill).
Then the guy runs mostly what every other OC under Miles runs, bullshite Pro. Not good Pro like you see in the NFL or teame like Miami, FSU, Bama, or Michigan, but bullshite Pro like you only see here.
Harris came right in and competed with Jennings to start which is why Rivers left, and Rettig left.
Cam fixes little things in already good-great QBs, that's what he does, and is why he was successful at the next level.
Crowton was also not known for coaching QBs to be legit right out of high school, but he could damn sure make a pretty decent offense with good ones.
Miles's OCs are terrible for young and raw QBs out of high school, and he doesn't go after any guys that have a track record of great QB development in college.
Cam Cameron was awful at the college level for offense and developing QB. Randle El's best passing season was almost as bad as Harris stats from last year. Indiana's offense didn't hit 30 points per game but once in his 5 year tenure and they mostly hovered around 26-27 points per game during his time with Randle El.
I have no idea why Miles hires who he hires as OCs, but they are obviously to the detriment of the team. Cam was good in 2013 because he had a baby NFL team on his offense. All he had to do was install his bits and pieces into NFL ready prospects (Jr La'El, RSso Turner, RSsr Mett, Jr Beckham, Jr Landry, "RS"so Hill).
Then the guy runs mostly what every other OC under Miles runs, bullshite Pro. Not good Pro like you see in the NFL or teame like Miami, FSU, Bama, or Michigan, but bullshite Pro like you only see here.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:56 pm to NoNameTiger
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Dude, go all the way back to Auburn in 2006.
We blamed Jimbo for that
We blamed Jimbo in 2002, against UF in 2003 and in 2004.
If you ever get a chance to rewatch the 03 BCS title game, mauk was terrible. The defense won that national title.
Jimbo has put shite on the field under saban, Miles, Bowden and when he became the head coach. They got embarrassed with the #1 pic in the draft and Les wasn't on that sideline.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:57 pm to Sev09
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But... our offense has looked the same through 4 or 5 offensive coordinators. Doesn't that point to Les being the problem?
Well, this is just false.
You think Crowton's offense looked like this one?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 5:59 pm to Penrod
I'm thinking crowton wasn't even that bad, the issue was thinking JJ was a freaking option qb. I have no doubt his offense would have been stellar with RP. But doesn't fix they still havent been able to recruit the position.
That's one thing Jimbo is good at. But let's not act like fans didn't want to run him out of town when Marcus Randall was on the field.
That's one thing Jimbo is good at. But let's not act like fans didn't want to run him out of town when Marcus Randall was on the field.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:01 pm to TigerFan244
None of what you posted points to Cam. We have the QBs we have because that's what Les wants. Les wants a dual threat QB and then tries to force him to be a pocket passer. Cam may suck too, but there is a bigger issue at hand.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:04 pm to Penrod
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You think Crowton's offense looked like this one?
His last year. It became predictable in 2009 and got worse.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:04 pm to KingofthePoint
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None of what you posted points to Cam. We have the QBs we have because that's what Les wants. Les wants a dual threat QB and then tries to force him to be a pocket passer. Cam may suck too, but there is a bigger issue at hand.
Lee, Jefferson, Mett and Jennings were not dual threat QBs. I wish people would stop posting this shite.
And honestly, Harris doesn't look much like one either even though he was listed as one by recruiting services.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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His last year. It became predictable in 2009 and got worse.
Jefferson wasn't that bad in 09. They just wanted a qb to not break the record for pic sixes.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:09 pm to dgnx6
Hey I got solution Cam be head coach and mile can be oc that fix it oh wait it les miles offense my bad
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:09 pm to TigerFan244
Fail
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:11 pm to Ethan Martin
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He had Antwine Randel El
Thanks Ethan
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:13 pm to Godfather1
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find it extraordinarily difficult to believe that 4 consecutive OCs were so in love with the toss dive.
Cam ran in at San Diego dumb arse. Never ran the fricking toss dive under crowton.
At least come with facts.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:14 pm to stevenn1968
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Hey I got solution Cam be head coach and mile can be oc that fix it oh wait it les miles offense my bad
Lol, Les Miles offense wouldn't attempt 20 passes.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:29 pm to dgnx6
If Cam was so great at his job in the NFL, why hasn't anyone come calling for him? Maybe they have and I just don't remember.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 6:44 pm to Chitter Chatter
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If Cam was so great at his job in the NFL, why hasn't anyone come calling for him? Maybe they have and I just don't remember
He's at LSU and makes more than he would as an OC in the NFL?
He was actually hired as a HC in the NFL. You're not really this dense, are you?
Cam Cameron was legitimately by any measure a good OC in the NFL. Whether you believe it or not. That doesn't happen by fluke.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 12:21 am to TigerFan244
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Look at all the QBs that he has coached in the past:
Jim Harbaugh, Trent Green, Gus Frerotte, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Joe Flacco..............
All Pro style QBs.
DO YOUR FREAKING HOME WORK! One his first QBs was Antwaan Randle El (5'10" 185) at the University of Indiana, went on to pay WR in the NFL. The program sucked, but Cam was got plenty of prodution of this DT from 1998-2001. LINK
If you coach in the NFL (esp during the time that he coached in the NFL), 99% of the QBs were Pro Style.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 12:23 am
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