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re: The Pirates have the #1 pick and will presumably take Dylan Crews.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:17 am to Honest Tune
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:17 am to Honest Tune
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the rich get richer.
They’re one of the lowest payrolls in MLB.
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Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:18 am to BeachDude022
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They’re one of the lowest payrolls in MLB.
yeah, I let that one slide, too easy
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:19 am to drizztiger
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Willie Stargell and those old Pirate caps.
"We are fam-i-ly!"
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:42 am to BeachDude022
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They’re one of the lowest payrolls in MLB.
I’m aware. I just meant the good fortune of having a decent season and having the option to draft Crews.
Definitely know who spends in MLB and who doesn’t.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:43 am to 777Tiger
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yeah, I let that one slide, too easy
See post above this one.
Everyone knows what lane the Pirates drive in financially.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:51 am to Honest Tune
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Everyone knows what lane the Pirates drive in financially.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:55 am to Honest Tune
quote:which one projects better? Honest question.
I guess this post can apply to Paul Skenes as well, should they decide they need to draft a hoss pitcher.
Yes, my perceptions are colored by the fact that I really don't watch much MLB anymore, so I'm going on older ideas. I don't know much about all the 'newer' stats, I just look at average, wins, strikeouts, HRs etc. I don't know what a good OBP or stuff like that is, at a deep level.
Skenes has been dominant here, an has an elite fastball... but he also seems to be a bit of a one-trick pony. I haven't seen him destroy anyone with a different pitch, just overmatch guys with the 100 mph fastball. And he also doesn't seem to get beyond the 6th or 7th inning.
Now, the pitch count is probably a good thing for him, and his velocity doesn't drop. He probably could go further. But MLB batters can hit that fastball, if there's nothing else to worry about.
Crews, kinda an enigma. I thought he'd be more of a slugger with an average in the mid-lower 300%, not chasing .500% with a ton of walks. And it does seem like he can turn on the power if he wants. I think his average might be a big deal, because it seems like he's good enough to do either approach in the big leagues. He COULD become your cleanup hitter, or he could be what he is this year, the plate setter for another guy.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 11:59 am to Scoob
Since you asked… I would draft Skenes. But I love a big strong righty that can flick 99 like he’s throwing bp. And if he gets hurt.. try him out as a hitter haha. Never know.
Crews could very well be the next big thing, likely is. But dominant starting pitching can overcome a lot of flaws for a team.
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His breaking stuff has looked filthy to me.
Crews could very well be the next big thing, likely is. But dominant starting pitching can overcome a lot of flaws for a team.
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but he also seems to be a bit of a one-trick pony. I haven't seen him destroy anyone with a different pitch,
His breaking stuff has looked filthy to me.
This post was edited on 4/24/23 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:10 pm to Honest Tune
As odd as it sounds I have been a Pirates fan since about 1977. It has been a long, long, long time since I kept up with them past June. I kinda hate it for Crews, because I have no faith in the organization to keep them competitive for any amount of time. But, man what a great thing it would be if he got there, was a stud, and they became contenders for the first time since the early 90s.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:16 pm to Scoob
quote:When you are striking out 12-13 a game you run up your pitch count, that is pretty self explanatory.
And he also doesn't seem to get beyond the 6th or 7th inning.
quote:He has been throwing some really nasty off speed.
Skenes has been dominant here, an has an elite fastball... but he also seems to be a bit of a one-trick pony. I
quote:huh, he is as complete of a ball player that you will see in a college uniform, he is projectable in any outfield slot you can imagine, will be around. .300, power numbers will project to be a 30-40 HR guy in year 2 or so. Just a prototype.
Crews, kinda an enigma.
quote:He will be two hole guy in quick order.
He COULD become your cleanup hitter,
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:27 pm to 777Tiger
Always take the position player over the pitcher. Pitchers are a crap shoot and even if they hit, many get injured at some point. Crews is as can't miss as any player I've ever seen. He will Impact far more games than any SP. Draft your position player stars and pay for proven pitching when you get into contention.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 12:35 pm to Honest Tune
The Pirates are basically a glorified minor league organization. They get rid of all their best players after six years of MLB service so they don't have to pay the big money.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:00 pm to LSU316
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Is there any precedent at all for drafting a player in MLB and having that player make the show that same season that was in progress when the draft took place?
Ben McDonald pitched in 5 or 6 games for Baltimore in ‘89.
Like others have said, it’s usually pitchers. I’m sure there are more recent position players, but I remember guys like Pete Incaveglia and Bob Horner doing it. But it’s different now with how much they invest in these guys and how much all teams, but especially small market ones like the Pirates, value having team control and will manipulate service time.
Dylan Crews could have been an every day player in the bigs LAST year imo. He certainly could this year. But I don’t think the Pirates would want to lose a year of team control unless they are ready to insert him right into the lineup. He will never be a back up—ever. On any level. If the big league club isn’t ready for him to play every day, he’ll do it in AA and/or AAA until they are. I’d imagine he’s in somebody’s Opening Day lineup next year.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:03 pm to Laman1978
Been a Pirate fan since the 50s. I guess Warren Morris was the last LSU guy taken by the Pirates??? I, too, lose interest by mid-June every year.
Anyway, I’d love to see the Bucs start taking MLB seriously but they’re too cheap to build a winner.
Anyway, I’d love to see the Bucs start taking MLB seriously but they’re too cheap to build a winner.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:07 pm to LSU316
A relief pitcher that went to TCU (starter in college) was drafted by Royals and then pitched in the WS that fall back when the royals were good 6-8 years ago.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:07 pm to FreeState
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I, too, lose interest by mid-June every year.
It's hard to maintain when your team is mathematically eliminated before Memorial Day.
As a near-lifelong Pirates fan, the biggest disappointment to me on the '13 season was breaking my 20 year streak of never missing a Bucs' playoff game.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:20 pm to FreeState
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guess Warren Morris was the last LSU guy taken by the Pirates??? I, too, lose interest by mid-June every year.
I know Shane Youman pitched for them.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:23 pm to Honest Tune
Is it possible that the Pirates pass on Crews due to Boras being his agent? They may not want to pay a huge contract even though there are slot values.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 1:35 pm to Chicagoland Tiger
Yes someone mentioned that. They may find their value pick.
Posted on 4/24/23 at 2:19 pm to Honest Tune
quote:While true, I kinda had to chuckle at your use of Nady. He got the ultimate cup of coffee in the Majors in his draft year (2000) appearing in one game with one at bat. Then proceeding to spend the entire 2001 season at High A ball, the 2002 season in the Minors (High A to Triple A) and splitting the 2003 and 2004 seasons between MLB and Triple A. It was not until 2005 that Nady became a full time Major League player. Nady career bio from Baseball Reference.com
Xavier Nady did from Cal to the Padres. Crews is better than him, but there are many factors that could sway their decision either way obviously.
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there any precedent at all for drafting a player in MLB and having that player make the show that same season that was in progress when the draft took place?
While not 100% on point to the question asked, here is an article from MLB.com on the 23 players who went straight from draft to MLB. Please note that a significant number of which were not in the season they were drafted, but in the following season after being shut down for the rest of their draft year.
23 from Draft to MLB with no appearances in Minors from MLB.com
So, yeah it happens, but it is a rarity and no where close to the norm.
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