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re: The past 3 seasons.....
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:20 am to uway
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:20 am to uway
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Miles was lucky to only lose 3 this year
OK.
I will accept that.
Will you accept that Bama was lucky to have only lost to Texas A&M, barely survived Georgia, and needed "the best drive in school history" to beat LSU ?
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Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:22 am to kevg33
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kevg33
quote:so you are happy with the offensive production then??
I'm happy with the production of the team
look, we are as good as we have been because of the Defense and DESPITE the offense.. we've had a good record.. but imagine, i know its hard because THEY will say you're questioning the almight Les, what this the record would be like with even a middle of the road offense, say top 35ish offense.. Thats what im frustrated about, why not try to improve it.. the offensive playcalling sucks.. and it needs to improve..
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:22 am to Tiger Voodoo
Just for kicks, can you add the 2008 season and give the stats for LSU and Bama only? LSU lost to UGA, Ole Miss, Bama, Florida and Arkansas I believe to finish 7-5 and beat Ga Tech to go 8-5.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:24 am to Topwater Trout
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Too bad we don't have the offensive coaches to develop them.
I'm still pissed they never developed Jeremy Hill, Vadal Alexander and Trai Tuner
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:32 am to Weaver
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Way to cherry-pick your timeline to include the year after a national championship but not the undefeated national championship year.
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Just for kicks, can you add the 2008 season
I explained why I picked the time frame I did in the OP. And I mentioned Bama's 14-0 NC year as well.
THIS IS A THREAD ABOUT LSU, NOT ALABAMA
08 was a freshman QB and a terrible D
09 was another QB starting the season with only 2 games of experience.
I'm trying to evaluate how the team has progressed since then, when we had experienced QBs and Chavis' D was implemented.
Since that point, LSU has easily been a top 5 program, if not top 2 or 3.
That despite our offensive struggles, which again, I pointed out very clearly in the OP.
This isn't a sunshine pumping thread.
It'a my honest evaluation on what we've done compared to other top programs since the worst 2 year period under Miles after our NC season.
GTFO if you can't at least understand that.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:38 am to Lsupimp
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Will you accept that Bama was lucky to have only lost to Texas A&M, barely survived Georgia, and needed "the best drive in school history" to beat LSU ?
So Alabama would have lost 3 if they lost every close game. And we would have lost 7.
So it looks like Bama was a great team that struggled a few times while we were a top 15 team that struggled in most non-gimmes but had a good game against Bama.
This "we were so close" narrative needs to die. We were not a championship-caliber team, and it would have been a fluke if we had made it.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:47 am to Tiger Voodoo
That's an excellent summary of the good, but the bad and ugly cannot be denied, not for a program with the highest of goals.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:50 am to kevg33
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I'm happy with the production of the team.
You didn't answer the question. Our offense sucks.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:53 am to Tiger Voodoo
Great post, Tiger Voodoo. Nice stuff. Really well done.
The main thing that jumps out at me: LSU and Miles win...a lot.
LSU 34-6
Bama 35-5
Oregon 36-4
Stanford 35-5
USCe 31-9
OU 32-8
OSU 30-8
That is a pretty exclusive club. The "30 in 3" membership.
Just ask UGA and UF how tough it is to be in that group.
Then ask FSU and Clemson why they are not a part of it with their weak schedules.
I like where we are and where LSU is going.
The main thing that jumps out at me: LSU and Miles win...a lot.
LSU 34-6
Bama 35-5
Oregon 36-4
Stanford 35-5
USCe 31-9
OU 32-8
OSU 30-8
That is a pretty exclusive club. The "30 in 3" membership.
Just ask UGA and UF how tough it is to be in that group.
Then ask FSU and Clemson why they are not a part of it with their weak schedules.
I like where we are and where LSU is going.
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:55 am to jrodLSUke
you forgot Boise State
Posted on 1/8/13 at 9:58 am to CP3LSU25
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Our offense sucks.
Well, it did in 2010, for parts of this season, and of course in the postseason of 2011.
But we did see flashes of better offensive production later in the year once Mett and the OL settled down and the receivers started catching balls.
I still think adding a couple of deep threats, so that Odell and Jarvis can do what they're best at, working in the slot, is what is going to take our O to the next level.
JL was effective in 2011 throwing downfield to Randle, although the short game was very sporadic, and JJ was better at working the option and short game.
We all thought Mett was the key to finally being able to stretch the field AND hit the slants and out routes that had been missing, but we didn't have a receiver to be able to stretch the field.
I think with Dural back, and the incoming freshman class, which will hopefully include Leslie or Gardner or both, not to mention Desean Smith, the passing game will finally be able to work the entire field.
That's my reasoning for being optimistic anyway.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:49 am to Elleshoe
35-4 Boise State
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:52 am to Tiger Voodoo
All this is true but the simple reasons so many are negative:
Alabama is a dynasty
Alabama is coached by our former coach and we wish we still had him. Yes, we do.
The offense is always bad and we don't look like an elite team even when we win against crap teams.
Alabama is a dynasty
Alabama is coached by our former coach and we wish we still had him. Yes, we do.
The offense is always bad and we don't look like an elite team even when we win against crap teams.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 10:57 am to etm512
Basically, LSU just needs a fresh start...
We need to win the game vs. TCU, that's step #1
We need to win the game vs. TCU, that's step #1
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:15 am to EvilVodka
Good summation...correction though: aTm was 1-2 against top teams in conference this year, not 2-1. It lost to LSU and UF.
I still look at LSU's offensive scheme with little football experience and recognize the playcalls and tendencies. I think that is pretty telling. When a fan can predict what you are about to do based on personnel, down and distance, in-game...etc. you are officially failing as a coordinator.
Do I expect to gain yards on every play? No, but to have drives stalled by offensive penalties or negative plays as often as LSU does shows lack of coaching. To have tendencies as recognizable as they are, shows lack of creativity in the scheme or an inability to teach the players a new one.
Both of which circle right back to coaching on the offensive side. A change is expected from tiger nation, but nothing will happen. Then next year, if LSU fails to reach a title game or show offensive production that lives up to expectations, there will be a change in the OC spot...but I am betting the scheme remains the same and little production changes are realized.
I still look at LSU's offensive scheme with little football experience and recognize the playcalls and tendencies. I think that is pretty telling. When a fan can predict what you are about to do based on personnel, down and distance, in-game...etc. you are officially failing as a coordinator.
Do I expect to gain yards on every play? No, but to have drives stalled by offensive penalties or negative plays as often as LSU does shows lack of coaching. To have tendencies as recognizable as they are, shows lack of creativity in the scheme or an inability to teach the players a new one.
Both of which circle right back to coaching on the offensive side. A change is expected from tiger nation, but nothing will happen. Then next year, if LSU fails to reach a title game or show offensive production that lives up to expectations, there will be a change in the OC spot...but I am betting the scheme remains the same and little production changes are realized.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 11:35 am to Tigers'Mojo
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you forgot Boise State 35-4
Yeah I thought about including them, but since they aren't in a BCS conference and clearly playing lesser competition, I decided to leave them out. Will edit OP to include them.
quote:
correction though: aTm was 1-2 against top teams in conference this year, not 2-1
Fixed.
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When a fan can predict what you are about to do based on personnel, down and distance, in-game...etc. you are officially failing as a coordinator.
I know this is a pretty common complaint, but I think it's probably the most exaggerated one out there.
I don't disagree that our O has been pretty straightforward and boring, but I would love to sit down and watch an LSU game with everyone who claims to be able to predict which we plays we run and see how often they are right. I think that would be pretty funny. I think it's just one of those things that people say.
That said, I do think in critical moments in big moments in games, the percentage of guessing right would be higher, as we really have tended to stick to what we do best in key situations, often to our detriment, which has led to a lot of the frustration among the fan base. So I agree with you that needs to change.
But, it's pretty clear that Miles was making efforts to change that in the bowl game. I HIGHLY doubt that many people saw those plays coming, I know for a fact the Clemson D did not.
But of course everyone has blasted Miles non-stop for that sequence.
That just sort of goes back to the idea that fans will just complain no matter what, especially when they already dislike the coach.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:01 pm to SilverSpurs13
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Doesn't Matter. Miles sucks
This is where the argument ends. There is a contingent of people who frequent TR that will never believe Miles is worth anything. They will give the aforementioned response. It doesn't matter if LSU goes 14-0 next season. They will complain that if the talent was so good to go 14-0 in 2013 why didn't we do it in 2012. Or they will throw out the OM debacle from 3 years ago, or they will say 1/9/12. Some people just don't want him to be the coach, period. No logic, no wins, no record will ever be good enough. They are going to continue to act lieka 5 year old who wants his ball and is going home. The rational fanbase, which is probably 90% of the entire fanbase and 99% of those don't ever come here, are happy that the program is successful and are hopeful for championships at the beginning of each year. However, as I said, some fans hate Miles and becasue of that predict that LSU is sliding back to the worst team in the SEC and will be 7-5 next year and that we should get used to going to the Indy Bowl since that's where Miles is leading us, eventhough his entire career at LSU proves otherwise.
Save your breath.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 2:26 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I agree...i don't mean to sound clairvoyant and by no means am I claiming i can call a successful defense against us (I just don't have any experience to do that).
But if I can predict 10 plays a game which I feel confident I can in every game. I am betting a player that actually studies film with his unit coach or coordinator won't have an issue with that same number or higher.
But if I can predict 10 plays a game which I feel confident I can in every game. I am betting a player that actually studies film with his unit coach or coordinator won't have an issue with that same number or higher.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 3:05 pm to stho381
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There is a contingent of people
My dad is one of them. He said the only way he would agree Les is great is back to back NC's. Hell Saban didn't do that till a few days ago.
Posted on 1/11/13 at 3:05 pm to TiegerTim
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The past 3 seasons.....
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Too much logic! All they wanna hear is how bad Les is and how much we need a coordinator
so are you happy with the production of our offense the last 3 years?
So here is a microcosm of the problem with most of the posters on TD these days. It's the whole non sequitur reasoning issue. Either Les Miles is a horrible Coach AND we need a new OC or you're happy with the offensive production for the last 3 years.
Personally, I think Les Miles is a very good or great coach, we need a new offensive coordinator, I was not happy with our offensive production in most games this year INCLUDING the BCSNCG. I was generally pretty happy with our offensive production in 2011 other than against Alabama and maybe Ole Miss (we scored over 40 against everyone else and 19 against Ole Miss). 2010 was a bit more up and down (6 games over 30, 3 of those over 40).
Awaiting the flames from both sides of the Posi Nega chasm.
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