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re: The other basketball coaches

Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28197 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:57 pm to
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There have probably been over 500 negative threads attacking McMahon over the last 12 months.


Right on time

No one has been "attacking" McMahon. But people have been critical based upon his performance. When there has been something positive to say most have said it. But there hasn't been much positive to discuss in the program over the last 12 months. So I'm not quite sure how it's baffling to a very small (but admittedly diligent) portion of people that most of the discussion around LSU basketball has been negative.

But hey, maybe we have been too negative. So I'll try to list some positives about the program before last Saturday that we probably should have been discussing instead.

It was great LSU finished at the bottom of the SEC last season because it made it to where we didn't have to interrupt work to watch the SEC Tournament.

It was nice having so much room in the PMAC with all the empty seats. You could sit pretty much anywhere and stretch your legs.

There was also no traffic to/from the games. AND you could get a ticket for $1.00!!

It was great seeing the flagship university be willing to help a less well funded in-state institution like Nichols get some goodwill/notoriety for their basketball program.

It was good to have so many losses because it gave people a reason not to pay attention.


When the team is losing there is not a ton of positive things to discuss. But this week has been positive because, SURPRISE, they won!
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
1877 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:49 pm to
If you just take into account MM beating the coaches I mentioned in a vacuum then you would have a better point. You fail to mention that none of the examples you gave were coaches who inherited a team under investigation with a cloud of sanctions over them with ZERO players the day he was hired. That plus based on improvement from last year to this year and improvement from beginning of the season to now there there is no argument that Mcmahon can't coach. At least the "he sucks" and the "mcloser"peope look like idiots. And the only reason people bring up Wade is because of the multitude of posts by the mchaters that refer to Wade. Yes. It's all about Wade. It is literally 20 -1. The point is be careful what you ask for. He deserves and will get his 3rd and probably 4th years ( I consider them 2 and 3) to show he is the guy for the job. But to think there are people that WANT him to lose so we CAN fire him and make Woodward LOOK bad shows just how stupid and emotionally challenged a lot of people are on here.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
14462 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:49 pm to
My main issue from the beginning and I think I have been very consistent, was the lack of development and improvement all of last year. You can be challenged in the talent department and still underachieve, and I still believe that's what happened last year and the rationalizations of that for me all rang hollow.

Coming into this year...agsin for me - in order for me to buy in at all....not that CMM gives a chit about that, but it's my opinion anyway...I wanted...no needed to see some development and improvement both individually and collectively.

The pre-conference schedule to be honest, we looked ALOT like last year. not much improvement or development in either department.

But when SEC play started - I started to FINALLY see some of both. Even from players who were on the team last year and did not improve or develop, have this year. And also in some team concepts, like rebounding for example, although that went south again but has improved again the last two games.

I say all that to say this, I have more hope now and am not as resigned as I was that he was not up to the task.

I still have concerns. I still have issues with who he plays and how much at times, but that's for another discussion.

But so far as SEC plays go we have not underachieved this year, and an argument can be made that we've overachieved, but again that too is a whole other thread I could debate in my own mind for a few paragraphs.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41837 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:53 pm to
Sounds like a lot of “moving the goal posts”

Tell them to STCMMDB
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35355 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

Right on time

No one has been "attacking" McMahon.
Oh please. Just today you post an incredibly slanted review after review. In your praise of Missouri you mention how their coach inherited only "2 players". As always you fail to mention that neither player was in the portal, that one of them was Kobe Brown, and that there was no NOA. Amazing lack of memory and truthfulness there.

What do you think LSU's record would have been last year if a 6'7" 250 lb 1st rd NBA draft pick who hits 45% from 3 was on the roster instead of Miller, Mwani (injured), and Justice Williams?

But go ahead and pretend you are some unbiased person who isn't drooling every time you think of the former coach.
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
1877 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:10 pm to
If inheriting a team with ZERO players and an NOA and sanctions hanging over the program rings hollow then you are what they call "biased". Throw in the fact that one of the three players you rerecruited was coming off ACL surgery and another was injured most of the year then you may fall into the "significantly biased". Look at the development of the players this year. Look at the improvement of the team over the season. Look at the close losses on the road. Look at the last 2 wins. I'm not saying Mcmahon is better than Wade at this point. I'm saying he's a good coach and if he can continue to bring in solid recruits he could turn into a great coach. Do you think Ward sprints to the paint to put back the lofted ball in the beginning of the year? No. He is a better player today because of coaching.
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9179 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:20 pm to
We look pretty solid now which is encouraging, got to keep it going into the off-season and start out next season ready to rock n roll.

Last year I definitely had CMM at the bottom of new coaches. But after this season I think you can safely move him past Mike white and have him in the Gates, Chris Jans category.


Hopefully next year I'll be saying he is above Paris and Golden.
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
1877 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:24 pm to
I'll go one step further. This team was lost offensively before Cook became eligible. It was painful to watch. Once he started playing the offense started to flow more and Wright and Williams started to excel. But Cook tried to play hero ball because he thought it was just him and Wright that could carry the team which led to bad decisions by him during games. Mcmahon benched him and put Hannibal at starting PG. COACHING. This helped Hannibal develop into a solid SEC PG which he was not at the beginning of the year. COACHING. It also expedited the development of Ward who had to step up and take on a bigger role which he did. Now he is confidently "One of the guys" along with Wright. And now Reed is starting to assert himself as a weapon they have to deal with. All of this is COACHING. Now maybe by sitting and watching all of the unfold, Cook can come back with a different mentality that there are more than 2 people you can count on to make plays during the game and defensive intensity is prior to seeing court time. Maybe he will become the PG we thought he would be. And all of this would be the result of good coaching.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47550 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:53 pm to
You’re not an LSU basketball fan. You shite on the players, you shite on any success the program has had in the past. You’re only a fan of McMahon not LSU basketball.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28197 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

What do you think LSU's record would have been last year if a 6'7" 250 lb 1st rd NBA draft pick who hits 45% from 3 was on the roster instead of Miller, Mwani (injured), and Justice Williams?


Probably about the same as if LSU had a 6'10" 245 lb player who scored more ppg, had more rebounds per game, made more 3's per game, and scored rougly 50 more points despite playing one less game than Brown.

LSU had their version of Brown. His name was KJ Williams.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7269 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:16 pm to
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LSU had their version of Brown. His name was KJ Williams.

Williams wasn’t already on the LSU roster. He was recruited by McMahon, and was also developed by McMahon while at Murray State. So in the words of Madking … dishonest.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
7233 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:52 pm to

I posted

quote:

The opposite is true when LSU loses though. There will be a number of Mc Loser threads, Still miss this :insert gif: threads, McNeese threads, etc


You replied

quote:

LOL. Once again the lack of reading comprehension skills on here are is amazing


quote:

I said nothing about whether MM was better than any of the coaches I mentioned or even Wade.


Neither did I. Your lack of reading comprehension skills is amazing.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35355 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

Probably about the same as if LSU had a 6'10" 245 lb player who scored more ppg, had more rebounds per game, made more 3's per game, and scored rougly 50 more points despite playing one less game than Brown.

LSU had their version of Brown. His name was KJ Williams.
Except that KJ was one of the players that McMahon brought over. He wasn't sitting on the roster like Kobe Brown was at Missouri. But you knew the difference. You just continually lie about it.If KJ could have played with Kobe the record would have been as good as Missouri's last year. And they wouldn't be any worse this year. Meanwhile Missouri would have been bad last year with the swap and would be every bit as bad this year as they are.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35355 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

You’re not an LSU basketball fan. You shite on the players, you shite on any success the program has had in the past. You’re only a fan of McMahon not LSU basketball.
I don't think I have EVER "shite on" a player, much less the players in general.

You are a known idiot at this point. Everyone sees it. You should really take a break.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47550 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:59 pm to
Look at him lie while claiming you’re lying. This is what these people do.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47550 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 3:59 pm to
100% untrue, you’ve shite on our players all year and argue with me when I defend them almost daily.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35355 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:22 pm to
So this was you defending Reed just 3 days ago?

quote:

Reed is still completely raw and hasn’t been developed at all in nearly 2 years. His shot mechanics haven’t improved, he doesn’t know how or where to attack on offense and he hasn’t developed a single move or counter in the paint. At 6-10 or 6-11 with his ability to put it on the floor he should live at the FT line but there’s been zero development outside of some physical progression.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47550 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:31 pm to
You were in the thread so you know it wasn’t a critique of Reed but just like with Alt and really always you’re being dishonest and deflecting because you can’t defend yourself for constantly bashing the players every day.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 4:33 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35355 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

You were in the thread so you know it wasn’t a critique of Reed but just like with Alt and really always you’re being dishonest and deflecting because you can’t defend yourself for constantly bashing the players every day.
Yeah, I know you were trashing Reed as if it was some indictment on McMahon because your emotional attachment to Wade is all that.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47550 posts
Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:39 pm to
Wasn’t trashing Reed at all and you just admitted it. It had nothing to do with Wade yet you always try to inject him into everything even when it has nothing to do with him. You cycle through 3 talking points because you’re stupid so all you can do is try to inject those debunked ideas into every discussion.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 4:40 pm
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