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The one thing I’m still trying to figure out about the play at the plate

Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:07 pm
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8629 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:07 pm
Yes, he was called out originally

Yes, the umpires convened and overturned the home plate umpire’s original (correct) call

Yes, there is no recourse to challenge or review the incorrectly reversed call

Yes, the batter stepped out of the box

And yet still, the thing that has me fricked up the most is that THE RUNNER NEVER TOUCHED HOME

In all of baseball history, when has a runner ever scored having never touched home? Can anyone provide an example or precedent for that?

This play will be studied by baseball enthusiasts and historians for millennia
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 9:08 pm
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12853 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:09 pm to
If you are awarded home plate you do not have to touch
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38530 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:09 pm to
Posted by birddog14
DFW Texas
Member since Mar 2014
1599 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:10 pm to
by rule you are awarded the base...he was called out, he didn't have to touch
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8629 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:11 pm to
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If you are awarded home plate you do not have to touch

You are telling me that a runner on third gets awarded home on a balk and he can just trot into the dugout and the run counts?!?

Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9851 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:12 pm to
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand.

So you want the umpires to make him come back to 3rd base and jog down the line and touch home?

He was called out, went to the dugout, and almost 10 minutes later awarded home.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38530 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:12 pm to
Exactly
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8629 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

He was called out, went to the dugout, and almost 10 minutes later awarded home.

If he can be awarded home 15 minutes later, why would we not be allowed to challenge because of a time lapse?
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
12853 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:14 pm to
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You are telling me that a runner on third gets awarded home on a balk and he can just trot into the dugout and the run counts?!?


I thought that’s what they said. I may be misremembering
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38530 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:15 pm to
You can’t triple challenge a double challenge
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5541 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:15 pm to
Damn no dude. Live the umpire called him out.

After a 10 minute clusterf0ck meeting of the umps, they came up with the balk and interference call.

Thus reversing the out call and awarding the base/run to the runner and 1st base to the batter.

He was awarded the base after the meeting. So no you need not touch the base in this situation.
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18286 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:16 pm to
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And yet still, the thing that has me fricked up the most is that THE RUNNER NEVER TOUCHED HOME


Jesus Christ, did anyone watch and listen to this game?
Posted by MarciMoshes
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2023
312 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:17 pm to
The baulk I get
The catcher interference I get


I'd like a rational for the runner never touching home plate?
This post was edited on 5/25/24 at 9:18 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38530 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:17 pm to
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The baulk I get


Ends it all right here. And answers

quote:

I'd like a rational for the runner touching home plate?
Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
6328 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:17 pm to
quote:

You are telling me that a runner on third gets awarded home on a balk and he can just trot into the dugout and the run counts?!?

Yes
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9851 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:18 pm to
You're going to challenge the umpires decision that is not challengeable?

My biggest issue is that the umpires were fine with the original call until they went to commercial and the SC head coach talked to the umpire. Then they convened to discuss the issue.
Posted by TFS4E
Washington DC
Member since Nov 2008
13461 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:18 pm to
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I thought that’s what they said. I may be misremembering

I believe it's more about the overturned call. It was because in the umpires mind they made a mistake to not call the interference/balk. By calling the runner out and then awarding the base they are "correcting" their mistake. So, I don't think a normal balk scenario allows the runner to just leave the field. It's all about "correcting" a call.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8629 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:19 pm to
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Jesus Christ, did anyone watch and listen to this game?

Every second of it. I’ve watched hundreds, maybe thousands, of baseball games in my life. I’ve never seen a runner score when he didn’t touch home.

Maybe you have. Which is why I asked for an example or a precedent.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38530 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:20 pm to
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maybe thousands, of baseball games in my life. I’ve never seen a runner score when he didn’t touch home.


Today you did.
Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
6328 posts
Posted on 5/25/24 at 9:20 pm to
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Which is why I asked for an example or a precedent.

It’s the rule.
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