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re: The misconception is lsu has a lot of talent.

Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:43 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260351 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:43 am to
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You really think the last 5 years are “mediocre” relative to the pre and post Brown eras of LSU Basketball?


Loser talk.

At least Dale went to a couple of final fours

This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 9:45 am
Posted by Pnels08
Member since Jul 2014
9179 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:44 am to
After every game we have 3/4 threads saying:

Reid is dogshit
Gaines needs to hit the portal
and pinson isn't a difference maker

Then those guys come in the other threads saying muh wasting talent.


This team has pieces and does some nice things but they aren't just aren't that offensively gifted.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77388 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:46 am to
Which is why we will struggle offensively if neither pinson or murray scores. At least one of those guys has to go off when we play good teams. We are lacking skilled guards. Pinson isnt a shooter. Miller wouldve really helped.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155588 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:46 am to
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Loser talk. Congrats. You're happy with the results.


I’m happy with consistently making the tournament for the first time since the infallible, legendary Dale Brown. Yes, i am. I also realize there is room for improvement and this 5 year run is a pretty damn good starting point for a coach who hasn’t even turned 40 yet.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77388 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:47 am to
“We want a young up and coming coach”

“We dont have the patience to let him mature into an elite coach”
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 9:48 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260351 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:48 am to
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I’m happy with consistently making the tournament


then you're very easily pleased.

Wade can't get the team to the final 4 without bench help. I don't know why its so hard for you to admit. Ed and Les all over again

This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 9:49 am
Posted by 3rdPart Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
6200 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:50 am to
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We dont have the patience to let him mature into an elite coach”


Probably would have been calling for Coach K’s head after year 5 too.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278380 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:50 am to
They were seeded fine, and had they not underachieved all year, would have been seeded higher. They had several losses to non tourney teams, and lost their one premier OOC game. This was a 5-6 loss team on paper. A perfect storm of returning veterans & youth

Wade’s bench coaching, again, left a lot to be desired
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27211 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:51 am to
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said before this season I thought this was Wade’s least talented group since his first year. Not that this team doesn’t have talent. It absolutely does. Just not as much when compared to the prior 3 season. And that was BEFORE Miller was lost for the season.



It's also a lot of young talent like fudge that is going to take a year or two
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
1929 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:51 am to
First , remember that the folks following and understanding recruiting on this site base the bulk of their knowledge from football recruiting and football time of player development. The one-and-done reality due to NBA rules for college time until draft eligibility throws relying upon class rankings out the window. Iron is supposed to strengthen when tested in practice, but with the roster maximum in college hoops compounded with injuries, that’s not a reality. As such, young players that can’t dominate the moment they walk onto campus are a disappointment to many. All in the same sport where John Woden’s famous quote was “the greatest thing about freshmen is the next year they become sophomores”. Until the misperceptions from star-gazing at recruiting class rankings becoming a meaningful predictor of success from a football perspective to basketball is not accurate.

The synergy developed amongst a large core of returning players is what wins championships in basketball. Accomplishing that is more about roster management year-over-year sprinkled with some luck in avoiding the injury bug.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155588 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:53 am to
quote:

At least Dale went to a couple of final fours


In years 9 and 14

quote:

Wade can't get the team to the final 4 without bench help


I agree he needs to upgrade his staff FWIW

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Ed and Les all over again


Wade is not remotely similar to these two in any way. LSU football is an institution within the sport. Bringing in those classes for basketball is a little different.
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
5332 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:58 am to
That’s the point I made yday LSU is Arkansas minus a scorer Noate’
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260351 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 10:20 am to
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Wade is not remotely similar to these two in any way


Correct, he has not won anything yet.

He's a good recruiter, mediocre bench coach. Arkansas just beat LSU for the third time with arguably lesser talent

That's what good coaching does.
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 10:38 am to
Imagine how good this team would have been if that Illinois transfer guy (Miller?) hadn’t gotten injured.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
11968 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:05 am to
I have to admit that I thought Wade had recruited top 10 talent. I don’t keep up with recruiting that much though. Same with baseball. I thought BillF told me that this LSU had a great chance at winning in Omaha this season but I just don’t see it. And now Money is hurt : ??
Posted by BobBarker
Bompton
Member since Nov 2012
11657 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:34 am to
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LSU recruiting classes under Wade 4 32 4 8 10


So from those classes, here’s who’s left.

2018: Darius Days
2019: nobody
2020: Fudge, Mwani, Gaines, Shareef

And then the entire 2021 class is still here. Obviously Wade has been extremely successful in recruiting, but this isn’t football. They don’t have to stay three years, we’ve had two one and dones (Naz and Cam), two two and throughs (Emmitt and Trendon), and one three year guy (Javonte). I think it’s really dumb to use this argument when they guys that made those classes so highly ranked have all moved on to the pros.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260351 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:38 am to
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So from those classes, here’s who’s left.

2018: Darius Days
2019: nobody
2020: Fudge, Mwani, Gaines, Shareef


Every team deals with the same shite. Its not unique to LSU.

That's how basketball is, you have to have consistent top ten classes and capitalize every single year on the talent you have.

Football isn't any different now, with the transfer portal and such.
Posted by Tammany Tom
Mandeville
Member since Jun 2004
3175 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:47 am to
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then you're very easily pleased.



LSU has never, is not, and never will be a basketball school. How can you not comprehend this???

If you look at the overall basketball history at LSU and compare it to Wade’s accomplishments in the very short time he’s been here, Wade has done remarkably well.

If Being pleased with a SEC championship, a sweet 16 appearance, making the NCAA tournament in almost every year Wade has been here, having one of the best overall SEC records in his last 4 years here is easily pleased when comparing to the overall history of LSU basketball, then you damn right, this LSU fan gets easily pleased.

You are just dammed delusional if you can’t comprehend how much better LSU is under Wade compared to our overall history in basketball.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260351 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:49 am to
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LSU has never, is not, and never will be a basketball school.


Yet we had 2 elite 8 appearances and two final 4 appearances within 10 years.

Losers use the "basketball school" moniker to make excuses for playing below talent levels.

quote:

how much better LSU is under Wade


Its not. Even John Brady got to a final 4.

This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 11:51 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 11:51 am to
So LSU had 1 ten year stretch where they competed at the level of the blue bloods in the tourney. How long has the program been around?
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