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re: The LSU QB Delusion/Illusion
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:03 pm to danal
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:03 pm to danal
quote:and was so polished he stole the starting roles away from JL/JJ.
Mett was our best Qb and he was developed by Richt
Nor was he exceptional in 2012 and progress thru 2013 was very evident, but bash away "LSU fan".
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Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:17 pm to Errerrerrwere
QB discussions should be Outlawed on this site.
LSU's Staff and Players and Fans or not capable of
recruiting, developing, preparing or commenting on QBs.
Better to just continue to play without them and move on.
LSU's Staff and Players and Fans or not capable of
recruiting, developing, preparing or commenting on QBs.
Better to just continue to play without them and move on.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:29 pm to ecb
quote:
Jamarcus sucked till his Jr year
What the frick are you talking about? He won the west as a Sophomore and was pretty damn good. Just because he was amazing his next year doesn't mean he had a bad year his Junior season. He had 2,443 yards, 60.5% completion percentage and 17 td (also was injured and did not play in the bowl game). In terms of stats, only JR's junior season and Metts senior season are significantly better than JR's sophomore campaign (Flynn's senior season is close).
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:30 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:
With Cam Cameron installing an offense that will look familiar to those who watch more football on Sunday, LSU isn't likely to stop sending quarterbacks to the league anytime soon.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:41 pm to Chucky1977
quote:
Flynn and Russell were both products of Saban
Hypothetical: Miles is fired/leaves at the end of the 2015 season and Harris goes on to play very well in 16 and 17 and gets drafted. Does Miles get the credit? You can't blame the guy for every negative and give the credit for every positive to some one else. That's rantarted.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 12:52 pm to Salviati
Salviati, you can post that ten times a day, but retards will still throw out the same crap about QBs not getting better at LSU.
We either have a large number of trolls posting here or a large number of football retards. Take your pick.
We either have a large number of trolls posting here or a large number of football retards. Take your pick.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 1:27 pm to Salviati
quote:
When LSU has a QB who is starting after his second year in college:
2005 11-2 (7-1 SEC)
2006 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2007 12-2 (6-2 SEC) National Championship
2010 11-2 (6-2 SEC)
2011 13-1 (8-0 SEC) SEC Champs, NC appearance
2012 10-3 (6-2 SEC) lost to Bama
2013 10-3 (5-3 SEC) 3,000 yd passer, two 1,000 yd receivers
Combined 78-15 [84%] (44-12 SEC [79%])
When LSU has a QB who is starting in his first or second year in college:
2008 8-5 (3-5 SEC) lost to Bama
2009 9-4 (5-3 SEC) lost to Bama
2014 8-5 (4-4 SEC) lost to Bama
2015 8-3 (5-3 SEC) lost to Bama
Combined 33-17 [66%] (17-15 SEC [53%])
Boom.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 1:59 pm to chilge1
When the football team improves next year (including the QB position) the rantards will find another excuse rather than say Les Miles accomplished something.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 2:05 pm to LSU Groupee
quote:
Salviati, you can post that ten times a day, but retards will still throw out the same crap about QBs not getting better at LSU.
They want the truth but they can't stand the truth. LSU has not had a losing record in 15 years and still they call our favorite team mediocre. It's the rant so I think they just enjoy being dicks because what they say is not true
Posted on 1/8/16 at 3:55 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
quote:
Mett transfered here after getting his QB development elsewhere
This is just false. Mett spent one year on LSU's bench, another year as a mediocre starter, then shined his last year. Development!
Posted on 1/8/16 at 5:37 pm to Penrod
This should end all debate.
1. LSU COACHES are responsible for GETTING great QB's to LSU.
2. LSU COACHES are responsible for coaching their QB's.
3. LSU COACHES are responsible for running an effective offense!
LSU QB's for a long time now have not pulled their own weight! Who's fault is it!!!!!!
If Coach A or coach B etc fail at any of the above they need to be let go. It does NOT matter which part of the chain is being broken. Brake the chain then you are NOT good enough.
1. LSU COACHES are responsible for GETTING great QB's to LSU.
2. LSU COACHES are responsible for coaching their QB's.
3. LSU COACHES are responsible for running an effective offense!
LSU QB's for a long time now have not pulled their own weight! Who's fault is it!!!!!!
If Coach A or coach B etc fail at any of the above they need to be let go. It does NOT matter which part of the chain is being broken. Brake the chain then you are NOT good enough.
Posted on 1/8/16 at 10:35 pm to ODSanchez
quote:
the problem isn't the QB's, the problem is the predictability of miles' offense... LSU could have a clone of 27 year old joe montana and would still experience similar problems...
The offense we run makes QBs look really bad, and serves as a retardant to their development. Being afraid to throw anything but play-action bombs down the sidelines hurts a QBs confidence. Playing in "safe mode" even vs cupcakes further hurts development, as the QB needs to learn how to execute a full range of passing plays in real game situations.
We have seen the same thing under multiple OCs. I don't blame Cam or any other OC. I don't blame the QBs, but recruiting the QB we want is also on the HC. It's been the same shite since 2008, after Miles went into a turtleshell and started trying to "hide" his QB from making a mistake.
This post was edited on 1/8/16 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 1/8/16 at 11:57 pm to Errerrerrwere
JR was one of the biggest bust in the history of the NFL. The only decent QB was Mett and he should of started day one at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/9/16 at 12:01 am
Posted on 1/9/16 at 8:01 am to WiscyTiger
quote:Yep Miles is clueless and 2008 proves any QB can throw MOF whenever you want and nobody gets hurt.
Being afraid to throw anything but play-action bombs down the sidelines hurts a QBs confidence.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 8:11 am to Errerrerrwere
Jimbo was the QB coach for Russ & Flynn. There has not been a qualified QB coach since.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:59 am to Errerrerrwere
Matt Flynn who led the Tigers in their last NC had one year left, but wouldn't have seen the field if JR hadn't gone early.
And JR is on lots of biggest draft busts lists if you had done more googling.
Yeah great career at LSU, but no SEC titles during his tenure that I recall, and the word him NFL wise, great arm but poor work ethic, though could be his potential just wasn't developed at LSU as he showed in his NFL starts the same issues he had playing here.
And yeah Marcus Randall did start the first five games of 05, but JR replaced him as starter during the season, and JR was a Soph at the time but he had played in 11 games the previous season starting in 4 of them.
And Mettenberger, isn't he back up to Mariota at Tennessee, still looks to have same issues he had while at LSU though.
So huh?
And JR is on lots of biggest draft busts lists if you had done more googling.
Yeah great career at LSU, but no SEC titles during his tenure that I recall, and the word him NFL wise, great arm but poor work ethic, though could be his potential just wasn't developed at LSU as he showed in his NFL starts the same issues he had playing here.
And yeah Marcus Randall did start the first five games of 05, but JR replaced him as starter during the season, and JR was a Soph at the time but he had played in 11 games the previous season starting in 4 of them.
And Mettenberger, isn't he back up to Mariota at Tennessee, still looks to have same issues he had while at LSU though.
So huh?
Posted on 1/9/16 at 10:42 am to ODSanchez
quote:
the problem isn't the QB's, the problem is the predictability of miles' offense... LSU could have a clone of 27 year old joe montana and would still experience similar problems.
Predictability of the offense is definitely a problem, but I think bigger problems include not game planning to our QB strengths and forcing them to play super tight/scared/handcuffed, demonstrating we have no confidence in them. It's not a coincidence that Jennings and Harris when they came off the bench and were allowed to (had to) play loose, they both shined. However, when they were "coached" to be the starter both regressed tremendously.
Posted on 1/9/16 at 9:26 pm to Mayhawman
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Yep Miles is clueless and 2008 proves any QB can throw MOF whenever you want and nobody gets hurt.
Sure, I would agree with what Miles did to protect the QB and run the offense in "safe mode" as a temporary stop-gap fix after the pick6 fest in '08. However, I would think you would want your offense and QB to progress after that. After a certain amount of time and experience, your QB should develop and be able to make the throws, including MOF when it's open and they are giving it to you all game.
My problem with Miles is that we never really progressed from 2008 with our offense and QB problems. We seem to have the same problems over and over again (with '13 Mett as the outlier). There is a common thread to this (coaching).
Posted on 1/9/16 at 11:19 pm to WiscyTiger
quote:Mett proved he could make the throws placed consistently where staff felt safe.
(with '13 Mett as the outlier)
Errant throws over the middle lose games.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:23 am to Mayhawman
quote:
Errant throws over the middle lose games.
I’m not saying that I disagree with you that it is a bad idea to throw to the MOF if we know Harris can’t make the throws and an oscie is likely. I am saying that it is a symptom of our problems on offense and QB development if we have to limit our offense and hide or handcuff our QBs from making mistakes over a 7 year period. This needs to change or we need to make a coaching change.
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