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re: The LSU offense is coming. They're getting better.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:17 pm to Butterfingers
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:17 pm to Butterfingers
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Matt Flynn ran this offense and we were among the league leaders in offense.
Not this offense. He ran a different offense in 2007.
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I am not going to argue that I am happy with Crowton but his offense has been good before.
Crowton ran a good offense at La Tech, but since becoming the offensive coordinator at the Chicago Bears, head coach at BYU, and the OCs at Oregon and now at LSU his offense has always sucked.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 1:28 pm
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Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:19 pm to Dead Fish
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Crowton ran a good offense at La Tech, but since becoming the offensive coordinator at the Chicago Bears, head coach at BYU, and the OCs at Oregon and not at LSU his offense has always sucked.
He ran a different offense at La. Tech and Chicago, than the one he does now.
He's run this offense at BYU, Oregon, and LSU.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:20 pm to Dead Fish
Sports fan pessimism is the most illogical, self-pitying thing in the entire world.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:21 pm to Butterfingers
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I feel that we have a large enough sample size to determine that our offense is not good and is trending that way this year as well.
Look you can't deny that we are better at running the ball this year than we were last year. If JJ can just play as well as he did in the second half of 2009, we will be a better offensive football team than we were a year before. Jefferson is averaging 114.6 yards per game this year. The last 6 games he played in 2009 he average 191.6 per game and to be fair he was knocked out of the bama game (10-17-0 58.8 114 1 td) in the middle of the third and that was the only game he did not go over 160 yards in that sample. If LSU can get those extra 40-80 yards of out the passing game, which to be fair based on JJ performance last year is hardly wild speculation, we will have the mediocre offense that we need to compete for the conference title.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:26 pm to CalTiger
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That is a fricking straw man argument. There is nothing to show (except in the mind of the rant) that we are holding back great offensive schemes or plans.
I don't know if it is holding back more than being overly cautious, but the fact of the matter is the play calling has been ultra conservative so for this year. Maybe it was scheduled to be opened up by the MSU game and the Vanderbilt game set them back, but whatever the case may be, the play calling again against MSU was pretty damn conservative.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:27 pm to rutiger
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no he didnt, he ran jimbos offense with a little bit of crowton mixed in.
It just seems like we have made excuses for this offense since 2008. At some point we need to say that the qbs just arent getting it done.
2008
Perriloux left
Jarett Lee is a Freshmen
Jordan Jefferson is a freshmen
Byrd isnt a team player and isnt helping the young qbs
Byrd and Lafell drop too many balls
Our Defense sucks and cant get off the field
Malveto
(2009)
Jarrett Lee is a young
JJ is young
Lafell isnt a good route runner and has stone hands
Our offensive line sucks and we cant run the ball
(2010)
JJ is only 19
JJ is just executing the plays called
Shepard, Toliver, and Randle are dropping passes
Crowton is calling crap (every year)
Miles is overiding Crowton's calls (every year)
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:37 pm to Butterfingers
Anyway, I hope you are right and they do come together. I think our O will continue to struggle though.
I think our D and special teams have improved enough to make a major difference this year. At the beginning of the year I was thinking 10-2 and I will stick with it even though my confidence is wavering a little.
I think our D and special teams have improved enough to make a major difference this year. At the beginning of the year I was thinking 10-2 and I will stick with it even though my confidence is wavering a little.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:38 pm to Butterfingers
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It just seems like we have made excuses for this offense since 2008. At some point we need to say that the qbs just arent getting it done.
Again, look at the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of this offense throughout its tenure.
BYU 2002-2004
Oregon 2006
LSU 2008-2010
Edit: And when you look at Oregon, notice the drop off in offensive production from the beginning of the season, when Oregon's offense was fantastic, to the end when it was abysmal. That wasn't even Crowton's full offense because the head coach (Bellotti) was an ex-offensive coordinator who still held a lot of sway in the offensive scheme.
Then, check out their offense in 2007.
This post was edited on 9/23/10 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:38 pm to Butterfingers
quote:Some times, the shite is true.
It just seems like we have made excuses for this offense since 2008. At some point we need to say that the qbs just arent getting it done.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:44 pm to Butterfingers
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It just seems like we have made excuses for this offense since 2008. At some point we need to say that the qbs just arent getting it done.
That wasn't the case last year. Last year, especially in the games we struggled in, we could not run the ball. State 30, Florida 66, Bama 95 (although to be fair we did alright before Jefferson and Scott were knocked out of the game), Ole Miss 40, and Penn State 41. The only reason we won or were competitive at all offensively in these games were due to the passing game. I will say it again that if Jefferson returns to his '09 performance we will be good enough on offense to score 20-30 points a game.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:45 pm to glaucon
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Last year, especially in the games we struggled in, we could not run the ball. State 30, Florida 66, Bama 95 (although to be fair we did alright before Jefferson and Scott were knocked out of the game), Ole Miss 40, and Penn State 41. The only reason we won or were competitive at all offensively in these games were due to the passing game.
We could not run because we could not pass. Teams didn't have to respect the pass so the loaded the box on us.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:50 pm to Chicot
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We could not run because we could not pass. Teams didn't have to respect the pass so the loaded the box on us.
There have been entire books written about how this shite is . . . shite.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:50 pm to Chicot
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Teams didn't have to respect the pass so the loaded the box on us.
Myth that has been disproven time and time again.
But, if our passing woes continue at the rate its going this year, expect teams to start really stacking the box against us.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:51 pm to just me
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There have been entire books written about how this shite is . . . shite.
yeah okay.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:52 pm to Chicot
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We could not run because we could not pass. Teams didn't have to respect the pass so the loaded the box on us.
State 233, Florida 96, Bama 158 (Jefferson got ~115 of those before the middle of the third...Lee got the rest), Ole Miss 250, and Penn State 202. Outside of Florida, I don't think that argument really holds up. We just were not opening holes in the running game.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:52 pm to Chicot
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yeah okay.
Repeating bullshite time and time again doesn't stop making it bullshite.
Posted on 9/23/10 at 1:54 pm to JohnnyU
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be sure to put your little tooth under your pillow tonight so the tooth fairy will bring you a quarter.
Thank you for making me laugh to the verge of tears. Brilliant!
Posted on 9/23/10 at 2:07 pm to FootballNostradamus
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I wish there was a way to permaban anyone from the following phrases:
"holding stuff back"
"turn it on against good teams"
"saving stuff for Bama/Florida"
I'd agree if we can also perma-ban anyone who says we can't beat Bama, Florida, Arkansas, etc... without a 'prolific' passing attack. Deal?
Posted on 9/23/10 at 2:41 pm to CalTiger
quote:Context Grasshopper. Of course we're "better", but it doesn't amount to much.
Did you even read your line before you posted . The very definition of better is a comparative relationship between two absolute or relative states - one being more than the other.
In fact you mention that we are better than last year - since we were dead then - but that is in fact not better
Posted on 9/23/10 at 2:49 pm to Prominentwon
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You don't know the gameplans going into games.
Neither does JJ. Why do you think they are "simplifying" the offense????? That is an easy way of stating the obvious....He can't get a grasp of the offense so we are going to tell him who to throw the ball to every play.
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