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The legacy of Lee and Les and how they're intertwined
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:46 pm
It actually makes for a rather interesting story even if it seems nonsensical at times
But let's go back to 2008
Hatch is our starting QB and things are looking pretty bleak on offense. Probably the fondest memory people have of Lee that year is the Auburn game where he came in to save the day with 2 big TD passes.
Of course everyone remembers all the interceptions Lee threw that year. But even during an 8-5 season Lee saved Miles. Anything I have in quotations will be from lsusports.net
MSU game LSU wins 34-24
Doubtful that we win that game with Hatch
I'm not even going to include UF because we got smoked by them in a bad way
Again, not a bad game for a freshman even though he had a costly mistake. Do we win if Hatch goes the whole way? I don't know. Hatch did play in that game though.
One of Lee's games that really hurt his reputation was against UGA. What gets lost in that game is he did make some big plays
Pretty ridiculous that his completions were averaging a little over 20 yards a pop. We lose just as bad with Hatch I'm afraid. If Lee doesn't turn the ball over here we might win.
Next up there is Bama. Another game where we are out gunned and could have won if Lee didn't turn it over so much. But we were still in the game interestingly enough and took them to OT.
Lee's performance the following week against Troy may have saved Miles and the program from complete disaster.
This may be the most epic 16:30 minutes of football that LSU has ever played even though it was against inferior competition. The combined offensive and defensive effort is an oft forgot moment in LSU football history but it shouldn't be. The program may have taken a horrific turn for the worst.
2009
Lee didn't really play much so not much to say here. JJ also had his best year.
2010
Wow, talk about redemption for Lee. He stuns the college football world with great 4th quarter performances against Tenn, UF, and saved us from having an embarrassingly close battle with McNeese St.
It's fresh enough in everyone's minds that we remember his contributions. Tigers would have certainly dropped games to Tenn and UF putting the program on fragile footing.
2011
Again it's all fresh. We know what he did this year. He came in when our starter went down and lead us to an undefeated season through 8 games. Our participation in the NC game doesn't happen without his contributions.
I do find it rather ironic that people think that Miles treated him poorly given that Miles would probably be on the hot seat without his contributions. I don't think it was a personal slight. I just wonder if Miles is fully aware of how much Lee has bailed him out over the last 4 years.
2008,2010,2011 would have all ended considerably worse without his contributions.
To both Miles and Lee
But let's go back to 2008
Hatch is our starting QB and things are looking pretty bleak on offense. Probably the fondest memory people have of Lee that year is the Auburn game where he came in to save the day with 2 big TD passes.
Of course everyone remembers all the interceptions Lee threw that year. But even during an 8-5 season Lee saved Miles. Anything I have in quotations will be from lsusports.net
MSU game LSU wins 34-24
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Lee, a redshirt freshman who started and went the whole way for the Tigers, completed 18-of-27 passes for a career-high 261 yards and two touchdowns. He threw an interception midway through the second quarter.
Doubtful that we win that game with Hatch
I'm not even going to include UF because we got smoked by them in a bad way
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Starting LSU quarterback Jarrett Lee finished 16-of-26 for 189 yards passing with an interception that led to a South Carolina touchdown just before the half.
Again, not a bad game for a freshman even though he had a costly mistake. Do we win if Hatch goes the whole way? I don't know. Hatch did play in that game though.
One of Lee's games that really hurt his reputation was against UGA. What gets lost in that game is he did make some big plays
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Lee finished 14 of 28 passing for 287 yards. Receivers Demetrius Byrd and Brandon LaFell each had 62 yards receiving. LaFell had two touchdowns, while Byrd had the third.
Pretty ridiculous that his completions were averaging a little over 20 yards a pop. We lose just as bad with Hatch I'm afraid. If Lee doesn't turn the ball over here we might win.
Next up there is Bama. Another game where we are out gunned and could have won if Lee didn't turn it over so much. But we were still in the game interestingly enough and took them to OT.
Lee's performance the following week against Troy may have saved Miles and the program from complete disaster.
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The Tigers scored 37 points in the game's final 16:26 to stun Troy.
LSU's maligned starting quarterback, redshirt freshman Jarrett Lee, shook off a dismal first half to lead his team to victory.
Without the efforts of the LSU defense – which held Troy without a first down for six-straight drives in the second half – Lee may have been held most accountable for an unexpected loss.
After allowing a 79-yard scoring drive to start the second half, LSU gave up only 46 yards on 30 plays for the duration.
Lee overcame another interception for a touchdown to complete 18-of-26 second-half passes for 205 yards and a touchdown. For the game, he was 20-of-34 passing for 216 yards.
Wide receiver Brandon LaFell had career-bests of 12 catches for 126 yards with a touchdown. Terrance Toliver added 54 yards on four catches.
Lee's backup, freshman Jordan Jefferson, saw spot duty and completed 1-of-6 passes in the first half. Jefferson also ran for LSU's first touchdown on fourth-and-goal from the 3 late in the third quarter. He had seven runs for 17 yards.
Running back Charles Scott paved the way on the ground for LSU, running 24 times for 90 yards and the game-winning touchdown. He also eclipsed the 1,000-yard total for the season (1,071).
This may be the most epic 16:30 minutes of football that LSU has ever played even though it was against inferior competition. The combined offensive and defensive effort is an oft forgot moment in LSU football history but it shouldn't be. The program may have taken a horrific turn for the worst.
2009
Lee didn't really play much so not much to say here. JJ also had his best year.
2010
Wow, talk about redemption for Lee. He stuns the college football world with great 4th quarter performances against Tenn, UF, and saved us from having an embarrassingly close battle with McNeese St.
It's fresh enough in everyone's minds that we remember his contributions. Tigers would have certainly dropped games to Tenn and UF putting the program on fragile footing.
2011
Again it's all fresh. We know what he did this year. He came in when our starter went down and lead us to an undefeated season through 8 games. Our participation in the NC game doesn't happen without his contributions.
I do find it rather ironic that people think that Miles treated him poorly given that Miles would probably be on the hot seat without his contributions. I don't think it was a personal slight. I just wonder if Miles is fully aware of how much Lee has bailed him out over the last 4 years.
2008,2010,2011 would have all ended considerably worse without his contributions.
To both Miles and Lee
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Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:52 pm to Powerman
Another interesting part of this is the role reversal
Coming into 2008 Miles was considered a God in the state because of the national championship season
Lee was under great criticism because of all the INTs
Now as his career has come to pass he has become one of the most adored players in the history of LSU football and Miles is inexplicably the object of much ridicule despite our great season.
Interesting story IMO
Coming into 2008 Miles was considered a God in the state because of the national championship season
Lee was under great criticism because of all the INTs
Now as his career has come to pass he has become one of the most adored players in the history of LSU football and Miles is inexplicably the object of much ridicule despite our great season.
Interesting story IMO
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:54 pm to Powerman
I wouldn't by a used car from Les Miles, thats for sure.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:57 pm to Powerman
The hero worship of Lee is reaching new levels, daily.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:02 pm to OBUDan
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The hero worship of Lee is reaching new levels, daily.
Just some interesting observations
With how thin we were at QB after RP was kicked off the team some of those wins were really crucial
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:07 pm to Powerman
Sure.
I'm just not sure I'd start a thread saying how they were all because of one player.
I'm just not sure I'd start a thread saying how they were all because of one player.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:09 pm to OBUDan
Because it doesn't fit your narrative that JJ is a good qb and JL is a bad qb.
Truth is JL bailed out Miles and JJ consistently, then tossed aside when Miles thought he was no longer needed.
One of the dumbest coaching decisions ever.
Truth is JL bailed out Miles and JJ consistently, then tossed aside when Miles thought he was no longer needed.
One of the dumbest coaching decisions ever.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:11 pm to OBUDan
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I'm just not sure I'd start a thread saying how they were all because of one player.
I didn't
I commented on games where the margin was close enough to where we probably lose without his participation
And I even commented on some losses
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:12 pm to DP40
My narrative has pretty consistently been that both are pretty marginal, if not bad.
I think a thread like SFPs discussing how great of a job Miles did with zero quality QBs for 4 years, makes a lot more sense than this one. Other, elite programs have folded in this situation and LSU has risen to the top.
I think a thread like SFPs discussing how great of a job Miles did with zero quality QBs for 4 years, makes a lot more sense than this one. Other, elite programs have folded in this situation and LSU has risen to the top.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:16 pm to OBUDan
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My narrative has pretty consistently been that both are pretty marginal, if not bad.
Sure but they're both better than Hatch
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I think a thread like SFPs discussing how great of a job Miles did with zero quality QBs for 4 years, makes a lot more sense than this one.
They both make sense
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Other, elite programs have folded in this situation and LSU has risen to the top.
Right
I just wonder if that happens if we lose some of the close games in the 08 season and things really went into the tank
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:18 pm to Powerman
Probably your best post ever. Thanks for the time and effort you put into it. 
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:20 pm to Powerman
You hyped McNeese and Lee's play when we had 215 yards rushing in that game. And didn't allow a point past 11:25 in the 2nd. But you highlighted Lee's 75 passing yards as what made it "not embarrassing."
That's just one example of things you overstated.
Lee's heroics vs Auburn are indeed fine memories. He didn't really bail us out vs. Tennessee last year considering the awful pick he threw late, which could have put that to bed.
Vs. UF 2010 is the best game of his career.
He was terrible vs. UGA and gift wrapped them 14 points (iirc), which we didn't need with our awful D.
He was a factor in why we lost to Bama in '10.
Lee certainly had many great moments for LSU. But some of this is revisionist history.
That's just one example of things you overstated.
Lee's heroics vs Auburn are indeed fine memories. He didn't really bail us out vs. Tennessee last year considering the awful pick he threw late, which could have put that to bed.
Vs. UF 2010 is the best game of his career.
He was terrible vs. UGA and gift wrapped them 14 points (iirc), which we didn't need with our awful D.
He was a factor in why we lost to Bama in '10.
Lee certainly had many great moments for LSU. But some of this is revisionist history.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:22 pm to OBUDan
He was a factor in the '10 Bama win, not loss. But that doesn't fit your narrative...we get it, you don't think much of Lee when you should considering his contributions under bullshite coaching.
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:23 pm to DP40
Sorry, meant 08. Typo.
He was indeed a factor in that win.
He was indeed a factor in that win.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:24 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
You really should stay out of JL threads. After the Oregon debacle, its obvious you have some bias against the kid. No one has given your thoughts much merit since that thread
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:26 pm to RobbBobb
I can and will post in whatever threads I'd like, thanks.
And I get an awful lot of responses from people who think my opinions have no merit.
And I get an awful lot of responses from people who think my opinions have no merit.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:26 pm to OBUDan
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He didn't really bail us out vs. Tennessee last year
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You hyped McNeese and Lee's play when we had 215 yards rushing in that game. And didn't allow a point past 11:25 in the 2nd. But you highlighted Lee's 75 passing yards as what made it "not embarrassing."
You must not remember how that game went down
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:28 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
You get on your knees before Lee or you leave this thread.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:36 pm to OBUDan
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And I get an awful lot of responses from people who think my opinions have no merit.
:notsureifserious:
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:38 pm to Powerman
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You must not remember how that game went down
I remember it quite well. The team was exceptionally flat coming off a big win vs. Florida...
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He didn't really bail us out vs. Tennessee last year
JJ had our first TD in that game.
He then threw an awful pick.
Lee's first drive was 6 plays and 20 yards and we missed a FG from the 37.
We drove again in the early 2nd, with JJ, got to the 31, D. Peterson fumbled away another FG opp.
Lee's next drive was 5 plays, 21 yards.
JJ throws another bad pick.
Lee drive (this is mid 3rd), 6 plays 19 yards.
JJ drive, 7 plays for 46 yards. Lee played one play on the drive, a 3rd and 9 and threw an incomplete. We kick a FG to go up 10-7.
Tennessee drives and scores.
Next drive, Lee hits a bomb to Randle (great play). Throws a pick from 1st and goal at the 9 on the very next play.
Then, the final drive, Lee made several crucial throws to put us in position to score the infamous game winner.
I've just never been big on QBs playing bad all day then suddenly coming on for that last heroic drive (which is why I don't think a guy like Big Ben is elite).
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