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re: The Last Thing Miles Wanted Was A QB Controversy
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:45 am to NoNameTiger
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:45 am to NoNameTiger
Wrong. They were running plays to try and get Brandon going. He can't conplete a hitch. What pass play do you recommend the coach call when the QB can't throw a 3 yd hitch. We did change up the play calling we attempted 28 passes and we're doing horrible. If Brandon would've conpleted more passes and strung more series together we would've ended up near 40 pass attempts. Now if that's not a change in philosophy from last year I don't know what it. The play c Alli g was spot on. You have o have players that can execute and etling showed us what that looks like for the limited time he was in and his receivers were catching the ball. Execution is key. I can draw up the perfect play everytime but if the receiver doesn't do his job or the qb doesn't do his or the center botches his assignment everything crumbles.
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Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:49 am to DeltaDoc
This isn't addressing the OP specifically, but for posters slamming Miles...
The man goes out and secures a top 5 recruiting class and hires three new up-and-coming coaches. This is not a man ready to quit. This is a man putting in some very hard work.
None of us are happy with the offense. I believe our quarterback HAS to make some plays for us to be successful. Brandon Harris has not been making these plays in game. He might look like God on the practice field.
The man goes out and secures a top 5 recruiting class and hires three new up-and-coming coaches. This is not a man ready to quit. This is a man putting in some very hard work.
None of us are happy with the offense. I believe our quarterback HAS to make some plays for us to be successful. Brandon Harris has not been making these plays in game. He might look like God on the practice field.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:51 am to DeltaDoc
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He knows that he is literally coaching for his job.
I don't believe this for a second.
He won a power struggle last November. To a guy with Miles' ego, that makes him invincible.
Rightly or wrongly, he's not worried about his job in the least.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:52 am to DeltaDoc
I thought the last thing Miles wanted was to be fired. And that will happen on the trip back from Gainesville.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:53 am to ThreauxDown11
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Did you think we were gonna go from pro style to a spread wide open offense?
No, I thought we'd go from a 1950's pro offense to a 201x pro offense.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:54 am to billfish21
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None of us are happy with the offense. I believe our quarterback HAS to make some plays for us to be successful. Brandon Harris has not been making these plays in game. He might look like God on the practice field.
I agree here. We don't know what Harris looks like at practice. We do know what he looked like in relief as a freshman and it was much better than he looks now.
Moreover, we do know that we have seen this exact scenario play out before...Hatch, then Lee, then Jefferson, then Lee again, then Jefferson, then Mett, then Jennings, then Harris, then Jennings again, then Harris again and now Etling.
In that period of time Miles has deployed I believe four different OCs...yet the QB development and progress and production has been nearly identical (with the outlier being Mett - who was throwing to two of the best receivers on earth as it turns out).
Which circles back around to my point in the OP...Miles did not want this, of all things, to be an issue this season, let alone this early in the season.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:59 am to DeltaDoc
he's an idiot for not knowing that Brandon Harris would collapse mentally?
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:07 am to billfish21
Nobody has ever faulted Miles for his recruiting abilities. He's also made some very good coaching hires during his tenure, and a few bad ones too (Steele and Peveto are the most egregious). However, his staff's inability to either recruit or develop a QB is an unforgivable sin. That, combined with his refusal to abandon an offensive strategy that is rooted in the 1970's, has been his downfall. Rather than tailor his offense to fit his players' strengths, he does the opposite and forces them to adapt. Mack Brown used to be criticized for underachieving with superior talent, but Miles beats him hands down in that category. When you look at the insane talent we've had at LSU under Miles and how poorly he and his staff have managed it, how can you not come to the conclusion that the game has passed him by and he has grown stale? Hopefully, TAF and the LSU administration is already at work behind the scenes trying to find us a new coach who can return LSU football to greatness.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:07 am to DeltaDoc
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Does anybody here really think Miles gives a shite about his job at this point? He blatantly lied to the AD when he told him that he would change the offensive philosophy.
There's not a coach worth his weight that will change his coaching philosophy at the request of an AD.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:12 am to DeltaDoc
Sometimes you don't get what you want, it is his job to prepare a football team
His comments of 'DE is really picking up the O". Or something to that regard, those comments piss me off yo no end.
You may as well say that no one has bothered to hold a valuable member of the FB team accountable for two damn years
His comments of 'DE is really picking up the O". Or something to that regard, those comments piss me off yo no end.
You may as well say that no one has bothered to hold a valuable member of the FB team accountable for two damn years
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:12 am to DeltaDoc
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Etling, when the chips are down, is probably not better (or much better) than Etling
Maybe better at throwing the ball really far. For Harris' entire career the one positive thing they always say is that he has an incredibly strong arm. It's typically followed up with some vague statement about having a huge upside.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:16 am to DeltaDoc
I agree that it's a lot of pressure on Miles, but Etling may be a Godsend. If he could get Les 9 wins and one of those wins is against bama, then in my meaningless opinion, Etling buys Miles another year. Being able to say that he will have an experienced, solid senior QB to lead the 2017 squad and bringing in another top 5 recruiting class without missing a beat.
It's a big if, but it's possible, and Les just happens to be one of the luckiest mfr's ever.
It's a big if, but it's possible, and Les just happens to be one of the luckiest mfr's ever.
This post was edited on 9/15/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:17 am to LSU316
I think if u watch Harris in practice he probably looks really good with his rocket of an arm. It's live action that he struggles with. So I don't blame the coaches for giving Harris the nod. But vs Wisconsin they should've went to etling with Harris struggling to make easy throws
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:20 am to LSU316
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Does anybody here really think Miles gives a shite about his job at this point? He blatantly lied to the AD when he told him that he would change the offensive philosophy.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:24 am to Bmath
This whole thing is moot. LSU has consistently brought in 4* QBs under Miles. They can't all be bad...
Its basically just a roulette of which physically capable QB will be poorly groomed, ill-prepared, and elected to a position to fail.
as a Juco, Mett doesn't count.
Its basically just a roulette of which physically capable QB will be poorly groomed, ill-prepared, and elected to a position to fail.
as a Juco, Mett doesn't count.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:24 am to ThreauxDown11
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The offensive philosophy has changed Why do people keep saying that. Did you think we were gonna go from pro style to a spread wide open offense? If so youre a dumbass. We threw the ball 28 times game 1. That's a change.
Are you saying there were 7 called passes that we didn't get off? The box score says we threw the ball 21 times against Wisconsin.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:41 am to TickledTiger
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I think he's afraid to piss off the players who want Harris.
I think a coach who is so weak and unable to control his team that he is afraid to make a personnel change for fear of pissing off players is doomed to fail no matter what he does.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:45 am to ThreauxDown11
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They were running plays to try and get Brandon going. He can't conplete a hitch. What pass play do you recommend the coach call when the QB can't throw a 3 yd hitch.
The one where you recruit a QB who CAN throw a 3-yard hitch and put him the game. Changing offensive philosophy may mean changing personnel.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:56 am to DeltaDoc
What I do know is that is feels good to have hope. It feels good to think, "oh boy" when our qb drops back and not, "oh no". It feels good to think there is a chance at a successful season that's fun to watch. The number 2 reason I love LSU football I'd it has been so damned exciting over the years. That's why I look forward to the fall every year. I look forward to Saturday now and I'm loving that.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 11:02 am to Ironhead985
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I agree that it's a lot of pressure on Miles, but Etling may be a Godsend. If he could get Les 9 wins and one of those wins is against bama, then in my meaningless opinion, Etling buys Miles another year. Being able to say that he will have an experienced, solid senior QB to lead the 2017 squad and bringing in another top 5 recruiting class without missing a beat.
It's a big if, but it's possible, and Les just happens to be one of the luckiest mfr's ever.
All of what you said is true. However, history indicates that we will lose at least two more games - though realistically, we will probably lose at least four more games unless Etling is truly dynamic.
At this point, LSU is not going to progress and reassert itself as a national contender under Miles, IMO. Of course, I thought that in 2010 too, in all fairness.
We don't know what we don't know. We do know that Miles has continually struggled to find and develop QBs. There is ZERO reason to believe that will ever change.
As long as LSU struggles with QB play, it will struggle to be an SEC and National contender.
It just so happens that the best young coaching prospect since Urban Meyer happens to be right next door in Houston too.
For that reason, if there is any shot at Herman, Miles needs to go, and be gone quickly. He knows that it is the end.
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