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re: The lack of quick passes and a screen game is puzzling.

Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:07 pm to
Posted by mostbesttigerfanever
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:07 pm to
why do that when you can throw a pass for a 12 yard gain that's actually a 37 yard pass from the far hash all the way across the field?
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:08 pm to
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Bama wasnt sending extra guys last night.


Why is this narrative still alive? They were not stacking the box like we have seen but they certainly were sending the house to stop the run failrly consistently until Harris started to run. Then when we stopped that they went back to it. LBs and Safeties were crashing the line at the snap.
Posted by STLSU
Hallandale Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:29 pm to
the blitzing LB is playing right into the hands of the releasing OL on a bubble or quick screen. That's the whole point of it, genius.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:23 pm to
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the blitzing LB is playing right into the hands of the releasing OL on a bubble or quick screen. That's the whole point of it, genius


Which was my point. Screen are set up to take advantage of blitzing lbs. Bama rarely sent blitzing lbs. If lbs aren't blitzing screen get blown the frick up or worse picked off.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47404 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

the blitzing LB is playing right into the hands of the releasing OL on a bubble or quick screen. That's the whole point of it, genius


Because it's the truth. Once Harris was dinged up bama rarely had the anyone extra in the box. This is a fact.
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
33254 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

he has a QB who can't do it consistently. That is why Cam wants Franks so bad and he and Miles handcuffs Harris with the play calling


Bingo!
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:42 pm to
Bama ran a nice pick play where one WR blocked the DB guarding the other WR. Blocking is legal on pass plays within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage in college. A couple of other teams have done that with success to us this year. Do we ever run anything like that? I don't recall seeing LSU do that this year.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like we, more often than other teams, have trouble getting WR's open on quick passes and screens and that is a play that, since its' legal to do in college, we should do more often. Is that even in our playbook?
Posted by LSUBS88
Member since Sep 2010
901 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:46 pm to
Crowton ruined Les with all the pick 6 plays he called
Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
9778 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

game is puzzling.


He puzzled and puzzled
till his puzzler was sore

And then he thought of something
he had not thought of before.

Les is Les and that's not going to change.
Posted by HeHateMe23
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:50 pm to
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That is why Cam wants Franks so bad

Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:56 pm to
quote:

He puzzled and puzzled till his puzzler was sore And then he thought of something he had not thought of before. Les is Les and that's not going to change


A FALL NIGHTS DREAM (by BCW)

but then Les thought
but more and more

then told Cam
to hit the door

then Les unlike Les
left the new OC alone

then the new OC opened up the offense
and led LSU to the throne
Posted by panterica
Member since Jun 2012
1274 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

He does get it. But, he has a QB who can't do it consistently. That is why Cam wants Franks so bad and he and Miles handcuffs Harris with the play calling. But something has to give. Sometimes you just have to trust the QB to make a play.


It's true. Harris is awesome. The quick short passing doesn't seem to be his strength, though. It can be with time. He could have burnt Bama bad if his placement was better on his quick passes. He was just off target.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:45 pm to
quote:

He does get it. But, he has a QB who can't do it consistently


It is asinine to say that Harris can't do it consistently, as if it's due to some physical or mental inability to throw a certain type of pass.

It makes much more sense to say that we aren't very good at it because we rarely attempt it.
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
7560 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 6:48 pm to
This

L M is clueless

Posted by wil
Member since Nov 2006
654 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:13 pm to
This is exactly right. They used run blitzing constantly on first and second downs. They did not blitz on most passing downs after they were burned for the long TD when they ran a corner blitz (at least until the 4th quarter when I turned it off). They're front four did not manhandle our Oline by themselves.

This left Alabama wide open to short routes, but people are right. Harris doesn't throw them well. BECAUSE LSU never uses them. You can't expect a first year starter to suddenly do something he's never done before in the most important game of his carrier to date. Maybe Les should have developed this part of his game earlier in the season instead of letting LF run for 200 yards a game. Please don't blame Harris for Les Miles' mistakes. Coaching lost this game.
Posted by SiriusBraveFan
Member since Nov 2014
705 posts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 7:58 pm to
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I tell you what is puzzling.

LSU is the only college team I ever heard claim such a learning curve for a QB to be able to start.


Bingo!!!!! I don't get it either. And what about routes that the receiver just turns around or runs a curl route...this kinda short/intermediate route is too complex?? Doesn't have to be a quick slant necessarily.

Other thing I wonder is why when we are playing strong lines like Bama we don't try spreading them out a little with 3WR a little more. Oh well.


Posted by jambalayagal
Alabama
Member since Oct 2014
19 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 7:14 am to
THIS

"I tell you what is puzzling.

LSU is the only college team I ever heard claim such a learning curve for a QB to be able to start.

Even Mett coming from UGA and playing in community college just could not grasp the complex job without sitting out.

How is this possible when our established QB hands the ball off most of the game?

Other teams have started QB's right out the gate or pulled replaced an injured QB with second string and hit the ground running throwing all over the field and handing off."

Please somebody explain!!
Posted by DrD
Houston
Member since Jan 2010
2688 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 7:16 am to
Bottom line: Kiffin is an offensive genius. We have no Kiffin.
Posted by panterica
Member since Jun 2012
1274 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 7:23 am to
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Screens are only effective if lbs are blitzing. Bama wasnt sending extra guys last night. A screen would've probably ended in a pick 6. We tried quick passes last night but Harris couldn't connect.


100% this. And I don't get how some of y'all don't see this.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
61307 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 8:22 am to
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Actually it is Harris. He'll learn eventually how to throw those intermediate routes.


What do they about how if it's always someone else's fault besides yours, maybe it's really your fault? It's NEVER Les' fault. Even if he directly doesn't cause it, he recruits the players.
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