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re: The job O has done this season is nothing short of outstanding

Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:36 pm to
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you could only keep one coach on this staff, who would it be?

Full autonomy and the highest paid coordinator in all cfb kept him. Not his respect for O.



The full post was money kept him on staff not loyalty to O. He wasn't the only member of the staff to be retained. I've already said that Aranda is replaceable but I've also said that O is replaceable as well. You thinking that it's some kind of trap is just more of your absurdity.

You probably need to layoff the drugs.

Rick this is more directed at Goldy than you.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:39 pm to
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The full post was money kept him on staff not loyalty to O. He wasn't the only member of the staff to be retained. I've already said that Aranda is replaceable but I've also said that O is replaceable as well. You thinking that it's some kind of trap is just more of your absurdity.


Yeah but they're not equally important. One is far more important than the other, and that is reflected in their compensation.

O is the 36th highest paid coach. Aranda is the highest paid DC. That tells you right there their relative worth.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:43 pm to
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That tells you right there their relative worth.


How many DC's are out performing Aranda??? where does our d rank right now? We are still loaded with talent on defense correct? So would you say he isn't really worth 2.5 million?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33899 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:45 pm to
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How many DC's are out performing Aranda??? where does our d rank right now? We are still loaded with talent on defense correct? So would you say he isn't really worth 2.5 million?


I have to admit that mighty #5 rated UAB defense has been impressive.

Utah at #7, powerhouse monsters.

Cincinnati at #8, man they shut down everyone.

Southern Miss at #9, legendary.

App State at #11, what are they feeding those boys up there?

San Diego St at #13, don't sleep on those beach warriors. They'll knock you in the mouth.

Fresno St at #15, they'll strike fear into your hearts.

Charlotte at #18, their opponents are defeated before they even step on the field.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:48 pm to
Dukkev
Hope all is well with you and youre family,brother.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:52 pm to
those teams are loaded with NFL talent and still ranked above LSU? wow yeh Aranda is irreplaceable or maybe just over paid
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:59 pm to
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How many DC's are out performing Aranda??? where does our d rank right now? We are still loaded with talent on defense correct? So would you say he isn't really worth 2.5 million



This. Currently LSU'S defense ranks about fifteenth if I'm not mistaken. That means 14 other college DC's are outperforming Aranda. LSU may be as low as 20th.

That tells me that not only is he replaceable he's definitely not worth the money that he's being paid. Hell he's dragging the team down. I'd say his seat needs to be getting rather warm.

He's not earning that top pay.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 12:59 pm to
Yes, please continue with this narrative you're going with.

The HC and AD begged the guy and gave him a 30% raise to stay but you think he's replaceable.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33899 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:01 pm to
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He's not earning that top pay.


Well to be perfectly honest, no assistant on either side of the ball is worth getting paid more than 50% of head coaches out there.

Orgeron and Alleva threw the entire pay scale out of wack because they were terrified of losing their meal ticket.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:02 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:03 pm to
so now you are saying the AD is good at making decisions based on who to hire/keep/fire as far as coaches go? c'mon man you can't keep flipping sides...either the AD makes good choices or bad ones

Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:05 pm to
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those teams are loaded with NFL talent and still ranked above LSU? wow yeh Aranda is irreplaceable or maybe just over paid


So, the offense has been impressive considering the schedule. Stats be damned.

The defense has an overpaid coordinator considering the stats. Schedule be damned.

Is this the argument you're making?
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:06 pm to
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so now you are saying the AD is good at making decisions based on who to hire/keep/fire as far as coaches go? c'mon man you can't keep flipping sides...either the AD makes good choices or bad ones



He's like Rick. All over the place. Anything for the sake of argument. As long as he can keep the anti O banter going.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:11 pm to
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That tells me that not only is he replaceable he's definitely not worth the money that he's being paid. Hell he's dragging the team down. I'd say his seat needs to be getting rather warm.


The classic O tard narrative. Trash anyone who have to in order to defend O

The offense run by Os buddy the “Slinger” is good despite the rankings due to “name your excuse” :tough schedule, which amazingly doesn’t apply to the defense, injuries (also doesn’t apply to defense) players not executing (ie dropped passes) etc.

LSU is ranked where we are because of the defense make no mistake about it. Quibbling over semantics is pointless, yes everyone is “replaceable”, but keeping Aranda was crucial for Ogeron getting the job, it was have been a total failure if he left for TAMU last year, to deny that is pure nonsense
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33899 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:11 pm to
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so now you are saying the AD is good at making decisions based on who to hire/keep/fire as far as coaches go?


If he were replaceable as you're asserting, they should've let him go. Why pay a premium for someone when you can approximate his value with a cheaper alternative?

If he's irreplaceable, as I'm asserting, then they were right to pay him, and he deserves the bulk of the credit for where LSU is right now.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:16 pm to
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the offense has been impressive considering the schedule.


you disagree? you don't think our schedule has been hard and that we have faced some really good defenses? do you not believe a first year OC, transfer QB, no star rb, inconsistent oline, and young wr's are factors to consider when analyzing how the offense has performed?

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The defense has an overpaid coordinator considering the stats. Schedule be damned.



Answer me this...what would you consider our defense to be ranked if they were just ranked on talent alone....higher, lower, or the same to what we rank nationally defensively?

quote:

Is this the argument you're making?



no this argument started bc of the haters and morons thinking our offense should be ranked higher and Ensminger sucks...they refuse to take into account all the factors listed above that he has had to deal with.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:17 pm to
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If he's irreplaceable, as I'm asserting, then they were right to pay him, and he deserves the bulk of the credit for where LSU is right now.




well who is the reason he is here? shouldn't they get the "bulk of the credit" for where LSU is right now?

Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78300 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:18 pm to
Les Miles hired him.

And Joe game him 2.5 Million.

But I am Going to admit that O is coaching well this season, and I think he’s doing a good job this season.

I think He sucked last season.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:19 pm to
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And Joe game him 2.5 Million.



welp there you go...Joe is a great AD
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33899 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:20 pm to
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well who is the reason he is here? shouldn't they get the "bulk of the credit" for where LSU is right now?


Les Miles is the reason he's here. He found and recruited him to LSU.

I'm not giving Orgeron credit for the same decision anyone who's ever played Madden football would've made.

Frankly, this line of rhetoric you've undertaken is very disrespectful to Aranda's talent and what he means to this program. You should be ashamed.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 11/1/18 at 1:20 pm to
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I think He sucked last few minutes of ND game.


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