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re: THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
Posted on 3/30/16 at 5:22 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 3/30/16 at 5:22 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Bama beat us without loading the box,
absolutely. we were predictable however. predictable meaning we couldn't fricking block the pass rushers or throw the ball to the receiver to complete a pass so they knew we were forced to try the run. bama manhandled our offensive line.
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 5:49 pm to AlwysATgr
says the guy behind the keyboard
Posted on 3/30/16 at 6:00 pm to AlwysATgr
I always thought it was Dual threat QB in a Pro style offense... And not allowing OC's to be OC's.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 7:02 pm to spiderman
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HE'S NOT. He has neither the most wins nor the highest win percentage.
He most certainly does.you do realize career rankings have a minimum games coached prerequisite, right?
youre using coaches thay dont even have 25 games coached during their entire lsu careers. most of them dont even have 10 games coached
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 3/30/16 at 7:06 pm to AlwysATgr
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This is misleading. Their safeties would stay back until the ball was snapped and then key on the RB. They were overplaying the run.
Doesnt change the fact that they didn't load the box.
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Time-tested road strategy - take-away the run and make the QB beat you throwing.
We tried throwing on Bama.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 7:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
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bsolutely. we were predictable however. predictable meaning we couldn't fricking block the pass rushers or throw the ball to the receiver to complete a pass so they knew we were forced to try the run. bama manhandled our offensive line.
Exactly. What most of the posters on the rant dont realize is that there is no gameplan that works when your oline gets pushed 2 in the backfield on every play. Bama's ability to play 2 NT destroyed our oline.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 7:27 pm to dgnx6
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He has the highest win percentage.
He is counting coaches that dont have have 20 games coached in their lsu careers.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:02 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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He is counting coaches that dont have have 20 games coached in their lsu careers
Edgar Wingard coached 20 games. Went 17-3 with .850%. Go ahead and up your minimum game until it benefits Les.
I was factually correct in that Les does not have the highest win percentage. 5 coaches have higher percentages. If you pick an arbitrary minimum game requirement then Les has it.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:18 pm to spiderman
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Edgar Wingard coached 20 games. Went 17-3 with .850%. Go ahead and up your minimum game until it benefits Les.
Only idiots dont use minimum games coached as prerequisite for coaches win %.
Literally everyone does it. 20 games isnt even 2 seasons by today's game and that's what we are comparing it too. Literally every single all time ncaa win % rankings have a games coached prerequisite.
I dont need to help Miles. He is clearly lsu's winningest coach.
This post was edited on 3/30/16 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:33 pm to spiderman
Hal Hunter FTW
Posted on 3/30/16 at 9:48 pm to drewnbrla
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I always thought it was Dual threat QB in a Pro style offense
You're on the right track.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:10 pm to LSU GrandDad
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I do not think his philosophy has much to do with his QB's sucking.
Did you enjoy watching Mett run option plays?
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Les Miles has had more than one team with a damn good passing attack. 2007 and 2013 come to mind. his "philosophy" was fine then.
What we did in '07 (and '08) is a far cry from what we've done since. The '13 O compared to what we were accustomed to seeing was refreshing. Compared to what we needed it to be to compete for a championship it didn't get the job done.
As Jarrett Lee pointed out we needed to develop a 3rd WR. We didn't. And it hurt us as the season went on. And it wasn't because Boone or Wright weren't capable. But it's all good. We got our 10 wins and B-grade bowl appearance - again.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:14 pm to genuineLSUtiger
after this time and jibber jabber someone comes up with "the fundamental flaw" in Les' philosophy
My God
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:15 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Doesnt change the fact that they didn't load the box.
C'mon man. That fact doesn't change the approach they took on D. Whether the D "loads" the box or has their safeties "cheat-up" or has them over-commit to the run it still takes away the run game.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:11 pm to AlwysATgr
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C'mon man. That fact doesn't change the approach they took on D. Whether the D "loads" the box or has their safeties "cheat-up" or has them over-commit to the run it still takes away the run game.
Im not saying teams cant focus on stopping the run without men in the box.im saying having safeties in the box is being far more committed to stoping the run than safeties peaking into the backfield.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Im not saying teams cant focus on stopping the run without men in the box.im saying having safeties in the box is being far more committed to stopping the run than safeties peaking into the backfield.
IMO, that's a negligible difference and doesn't change the overarching approach, i.e., take away the run and make Brandon beat us with his arm if he can.
Les is a great coach. He was a great successor to Saban. Period. Had you told me in 1/05 that our next coach will win 1 natty, 2 SEC's, and 3 SECW's over the next decade I would've said sold. BUt we can do much better if he will only stop asking RH QB's to play LH (hyperbole).
Example: how many of OM's players would've started for us on O in '15? Certainly Treadwell and Tunsil. Evan Engram maybe. So how was their O so much more functional than ours? It wasn't talent.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 7:41 am to AlwysATgr
If we had a mediocre passing offense we would have won at least one or two more titles. Without it we are still competitive.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:57 am to Weaver
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If we had a mediocre passing offense we would have won at least one or two more titles.
Agreed. And that's a big part for the motivation of this thread. We have been so close to championships and yet IMO, it's this fundamental philosophical flaw that frustrates our football fortunes.
Build the O around what our QB can do well. Someone argues that will diminish LF7's role. To which I say, no it won't. He will still get his 200 yds/game. It's just that our O will gain 500 yds/game instead 400 yds/game.
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Without it we are still competitive.
I don't think this is case now. We have been full non-competitive in six SECW games over the last two seasons:
State, AU, and Arky in '14
Bama, Arky, and OM in '15
Posted on 3/31/16 at 8:58 am to AlwysATgr
im holding out for tom herman
Posted on 3/31/16 at 9:21 am to AlwysATgr
quote:I think this is and has been the LSU Staff MO, save maybe the 2010 JJ dual threat morph.
Build the O around what our QB can do well.
It's really the fans who don't understand the difficulty turning chickenshite into chickensalad.
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