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re: The Early Entrant Issue
Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:40 pm to bearhc
Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:40 pm to bearhc
Avg NFL career is 2.3 years, which includes all players. The faster you can go and get some money the better. Sorry dude. Playing college ball for good ole LSU is just not a priority. It is a means to an end and the sooner you guys realize that the happier you will be.
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Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:41 pm to bearhc
Why are you making this assumption about Ego? Do you personally know him? For all we know, he screwed up on a class. That doesn't make him selfish or money hungry.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:43 pm to toughcrittercrumb
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For all we know, he screwed up on a class. That doesn't make him selfish or money hungry.
No one eats their own quite as well as LSU does. An hour ago, people were begging him to stay...now, he's a bum.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 2:48 pm to Choupique19
quote:Do you realize how much cheaper paying for 1 extra year of college at a public school is than missing an opportunity for 1 year in the NFL.
The free education is now. If they leave early, crap out in the NFL, the education will then cost them money. Money that they probably aren't saving. You really think that these guys are going to pay for school?
Rough estimates are $3k-10k v $400k
Not exactly a tough decision. Aside from the fact that they could out a student loan if needed like the rest of us.
quote:If they aren't, then they were never going to graduate on their free education anyway, and even if they did, whatever they were studying wasn't important enough to get them a job based on that anyway.
You really think that these guys are going to pay for school?
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 3:37 pm to bearhc
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You have got to be kidding. Athletes are treated like royalty these days. Free education, free food, etc. Many of these guys also get ethical or non-ethical fringe benefits during and after their careers.
God I had dumbass comments like this. Free? These athletes didn't win a lottery to get a scholarship. They have worked many years to be good enough to EARN a scholarship and continue to work many hours every week at their sport while on scholarship while also being expected to maintain a full time course workload and be involved in community service.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 3:40 pm to bearhc
I don't care if they leave if its a case where their draft status is a sure thing, but this idea of leaving to see how things might pan out is a problem for LSU that other schools for some reason, don't seem to be having.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 3:49 pm to bearhc
In this thread, we expect players to disregard their rational self-interest for the fans' entertainment 
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:18 pm to lsutothetop
this thread is so freaking ironic. you are telling others to not be selfish. why? because YOU think they owe it to you, or to the university. shut up.
the bigger issue is that maybe 3 dlinemen redshirted (herron, bain, gilmore) this year. if clm even thought ego/anthony might go pro, then ALL of them should have gotten some playing time.
not a direct response to you, lsutothetop.
the bigger issue is that maybe 3 dlinemen redshirted (herron, bain, gilmore) this year. if clm even thought ego/anthony might go pro, then ALL of them should have gotten some playing time.
not a direct response to you, lsutothetop.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:22 pm to jturn17
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Sure they do. That's why they're trying to get money while people will give it to them. They can always go back to school to graduate. The NFL may not always be an option for them.
True. Big Ten Commish is pushing for life time (or very long term) scholarship / academic support for the student athletes. So that if things don't work out, they can still get an education. Pretty radical - but fair given the $$$ that these great athletes provide to the Institutions.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:28 pm to Screaming Viking
Herron redshirted to bulk up, I think, the coaches want him at DT instead of DE. I'd have liked to see Bain and Gilmore play a little more this year for sure tho
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:37 pm to bearhc
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According to SI and USA today articles, 80% of the players in the NFL have serious financial problems within two years of their retirement
Don't these guys realize that getting a degree is a guarantee at financial security!!!
That diploma is a free ticket to guaranteed employment, prosperity, and happiness!!!
Think it through guys!!!!
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Do you realize how much cheaper paying for 1 extra year of college at a public school is than missing an opportunity for 1 year in the NFL. Rough estimates are $3k-10k v $400k Not exactly a tough decision. Aside from the fact that they could out a student loan if needed like the rest of us.
quote:You really think that these guys are going to pay for school?
If they aren't, then they were never going to graduate on their free education anyway, and even if they did, whatever they were studying wasn't important enough to get them a job based on that anyway.
All this right here is exactly correct.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:42 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Don't these guys realize that getting a college degree is a guarantee at financial security!!!
That my friend is pretty fking
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:42 pm to bearhc
Quit being selfish fans and realize many of our players are here to get to the NFL ASAP and there's nothing wrong with that. It's their life, not yours or LSU's.
I understand sometimes their decisions come at the expense of some short term LSU success on the field. Well that's the price you pay when you recruit the best talent and play them early and often. It's a good problem to have.
I understand sometimes their decisions come at the expense of some short term LSU success on the field. Well that's the price you pay when you recruit the best talent and play them early and often. It's a good problem to have.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:46 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Well that's the price you pay when you recruit the best talent and play them early and often. It's a good problem to have.
double-edged sword, I'd prefer building stable teams where a good percentage are here 4 years. It's hard to build the leadership, experience and team culture when you have a bunch of 3 and done type players
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:49 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
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Quit being selfish fans and realize many of our players are here to get to the NFL ASAP and there's nothing wrong with that. It's their life, not yours or LSU's.
I understand sometimes their decisions come at the expense of some short term LSU success on the field. Well that's the price you pay when you recruit the best talent and play them early and often. It's a good problem to have.
At least finish the damn season. I would think that your team mates deserve that at least.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:52 pm to Gray Tiger
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At least finish the damn season. I would think that your team mates deserve that at least.
I can agree with this, it's the bitching about a talented player leaving early that seems silly.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:58 pm to SBC
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Avg NFL career is 2.3 years, which includes all players. The faster you can go and get some money the better.
No. A thousand time no. That's terrible thinking. You need to do anything you can do to get drafted in the first two rounds. That way, a team has something invested in you, and you have a real chance at that second contract. If you're a third round pick or later, the team has no real skin in the game and is not likely to give you a real shot at a full time job.
Going early if you're not a top two round pick is a short sighted decision that will likely cost you millions of dollars. Anything you can do to avoid being a third round pick or later, you should do. Otherwise, you've increased your odds of not getting a second contract (or even making it through your rookie contract) a thousandfold.
This isn't an "LSU decision", this is a "whats best for the athlete" decision. If I had a friend who was a draft eligible junior and he wasn't a near certain lock to be a top two round pick, I would tell him to stay in school, unless he was a running back due to their even shorter shelf lives.
ETA: 79 players left school early last year. 25 of them went undrafted. 25 were taken in the first two rounds. 10 more were taken in the first 100 picks and 19 more were drafted in the 101+ picks. More than half of those 79 players will not see a second contract. It's a terrible odds. Of those 25 who were taken in the first two rounds, I bet a huge percentage will see a second contract.
This post was edited on 12/31/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/31/13 at 4:58 pm to ForeLSU
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double-edged sword, I'd prefer building stable teams where a good percentage are here 4 years. It's hard to build the leadership, experience and team culture when you have a bunch of 3 and done type players
And it's harder to recruit the best talent when they are expected to stay four or five years.
A high school superstar destined for the NFL likely wants to go to a school that puts him in the best position to declare in three years. That's just the nature of the beast.
Typically, the teams with the best players win more. As long as we're landing top recruits year after year, attrition is less of an issue and new blood has it's upsides as well.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 5:00 pm to bearhc
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We need to change the culture of the program
How? Please give us the solution.
I guess we should recruit less talented players.
Posted on 12/31/13 at 6:07 pm to lsutothetop
With the problems with the D line this year I wonder the same thing. Hope it is not because these players showed less potential than coaches thought when they were recruited.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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