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re: The 'biggest' recruit LSU lost out on that could have changed our program?
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:03 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:03 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
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To me it would have to a qb. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if perriloux goes to Texas and we get colt McCoy. How about we get ej manual and pass on Jordan Jefferson?
I agree
This really changed the face of our program(atleast our offensive production) for about 4 years. We are still dealing with it. Having to break in a new QB this year.
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Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:39 am to Penrod
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BTW, same thing happened in the NFL. Learning from his own misfortune, Archie did not let his son sign with the team that drafted him. Instead he got him with a well managed franchise.
Why didn't he do this with PM? Who knows how many rings he would have won if he was on a team like the Steelers or Ravens.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:51 am to BigHeadTigerFan
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I got one: Bucky Richardson!
we had Tommy Hodson and Bucky was not a pro style QB.
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Peyton Manning
Josh Booty, considered at worst as the 1a QB to Manning national was committed to LSU
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:51 am to Toughcrittercrumb1
In my mind he is the best complete running back in NFL history. That's just an opinion but as a combination receiver and runner I don't think anybody was better. He could have played receiver in the NFL and made a career doing it. Marshall wasn't to shabby in college either.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:54 am to Nativebullet
Watching what Akiem Hicks has done with the Saints comin from a small school after I don't know what happened while he was briefly at LSU. I would have to say him! Guy could have won awards after Dorsey as the dominate big man, but with his size and speed for someone that big he really could have changed the program!
I wish he had stood there!
I wish he had stood there!
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 9:55 am
Posted on 9/8/12 at 9:58 am to South Endzone Warrio
honestly, I'm tired of hearing about Jefferson, let it die, man. I think Miles is more at fault then Jefferson because of the way he used him. Had someone like Rich Rodriquez coached Jefferson I think he would have put up ridiculous numbers because Rodriquez knows how to use those type of players.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:19 am to easy money
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some would argue that kevin faulk was the turning point, but we were not very good even with faulk and we became a worse team at the end of his career.
Faulk was the turning point and LSU did have 3 straight winning seasons his and DiNardo's first 3 seasons. Now, that doesn't look so hot, but after 6 straight losings seasons it was huge. Saban could not have done what he did without the foundation that DiNardo laid. DiNardo stopped the hemorrhaging of talent from the State but still lost some guys. Saban locked it down, which was just as important and got what I'd argue was the 2nd most important recruit, behind Faulk, in Marquis Hill.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:26 am to H-Town Tiger
You guys always try to take shots at Saban by sayin he couldn't have done what he did if Dinardo hadn't done what he did. What did Dinardo do? Just win every now and then, but for the most part his teams were mediocre. Saban won with what Dinardo had because of "coaching" just like he is doing at Alabama. They win over there now because he scares the living daylights out of his player by holding them accountable. Believe me, those players don't want to F up and face the wrath of ole Nickie! lol
I give credit to Saban because he already was an established winner comin from Mich St. in turning around LSU's program, it had nothing to do with Dinardo's thin talent there, but he locked LA. down like you said because of the fertile football talent he discovered there which is why he keeps comin back to the state. But he built LSU into the powerhouse it is all on his own. Dude would have 5 NC's by now had he stayed, and would be called Lord Saban there! lol
I give credit to Saban because he already was an established winner comin from Mich St. in turning around LSU's program, it had nothing to do with Dinardo's thin talent there, but he locked LA. down like you said because of the fertile football talent he discovered there which is why he keeps comin back to the state. But he built LSU into the powerhouse it is all on his own. Dude would have 5 NC's by now had he stayed, and would be called Lord Saban there! lol
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 10:37 am
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:32 am to jrowla2
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To me it would have to a qb. It would have been interesting to see what would have happened if perriloux goes to Texas and we get colt McCoy. How about we get RGIII and pass on Jordan Jefferson?
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:38 am to tubucoco
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You guys always try to take shots at Saban by sayin he couldn't have done what he did if Dinardo hadn't done what he did. What did Dinardo do
its not taking shots at Saban. What DiNardo did was take a program that was sliding into irrelevance and get it back to respectability. He had a winning season and won a bowl (over Saban) his first year and 10 and then 9 games in his next 2. Season ticket sales and donations went way up in the early DiNardo years. The stadium expansion was planned during the DiNardo era. Those are the things you need to have an elite program. Saban could see what was here and knew he could take it to the next level. I doubt he would have taken the job when DiNardo did. DiNardo showed LSU could be a contender. Saban took it to the next level, which maybe an even bigger step, but both steps were necessary considering where the program was.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 10:59 am to tubucoco
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give credit to Saban because he already was an established winner comin from Mich St.
His 5 years at MSU:
6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2
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it had nothing to do with Dinardo's thin talent there,
Davey, J reed, R Reed, L Toefield, D Davis, B James, R Clark , K Adams, D James. Yeah, real thin
But you are missing the point and trying to twist it into a DiNardo v Saban deal. What you don't seem to get is, you have to have the resources and infrastructure to become an elite power. Those improvements started under DiNardo. Saban took it to the next level. Without Saban, we'd be lucky to be UGA, but I don't think he would have even taken the job with out the improvements that started with DiNardeaux.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 11:15 am to H-Town Tiger
Your points are solid. But that last year at St. says 9-2 if i'm not mistaken, which means the program was headed in the right direction when he left. You have got to get time in order to build something, yes, Dinardeaux as you put it (lol) did start bringing talent to LSU, but I should have phrased it better by sayin Saban brought in even more talent to get it to championship contending level! My bad!
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:01 pm to tubucoco
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Saban brought in even more talent to get it to championship contending level
no question about it. I think it might be easier to go from 5-6, 4-7 type level to 10-2, than to go from 10-2 to 12-0 if you know what i mean.
My contention is the 2 most important recruits for LSU in the las 20 + years are Kevin Faulk (GD) and Marquis Hill, Nick Saban. Before Hill, 5* black kids from NOLA weren't considering LSU for the most part. He mended that relationship and locked down the state. Miles has kept that up.
The 2 most important people that got LSU to where we are now are Mark Emmert and Nick Saban.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:03 pm to tubucoco
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Your points are solid. But that last year at St. says 9-2 if i'm not mistaken, which means the program was headed in the right direction when he left.
They went 5-6 the next year, mainly because Plaxico Burress went to the NFL. Their offense in Saban's final year was "chuck the ball to Plaxico".
I agree with H-Town. It's not about tearing down Saban, who took the next step in improvement that Dinardo wasn't able to do, but appreciating what Dinardo did, which was lay the foundation and pulling us out of an epic tailspin. Dinardo brought in talent, started facility improvements, and got fans invested by doing things like returning the white jerseys and H-style goalposts. Saban built the house, but Dinardo built the foundation. It's not insulting to anyone to give Dinardo the appreciation for what he did. But I don't think he could've won a national title here.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:37 pm to Godfather1
We missed out on McCoy, RG3, and Darron Thomas. Those (recently) would have been game changers.... We would have went from McCoy to either DT or RG3? Are you kidding me? We would have been untouchable.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:47 pm to BigHeadTigerFan
During the 90's there is not one player that could have come to LSU and changed the program. As long as the powers to be was stupid enough to hire Hallman, turn away from the OBC & Papa Bowden, there was not a single player that would have made a difference in the winning records other than a game here and there.
Posted on 9/8/12 at 12:56 pm to Nativebullet
Archie Manning
Marshal Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Marshal Faulk
Warrick Dunn
Posted on 9/8/12 at 1:09 pm to Nativebullet
DJ Augustin
Posted on 9/8/12 at 1:52 pm to Baloo
quote:well, that would have to do a lot with the coach following Saban because I'm sure the talent was there after he left! And Saban has never been much of an offensive coach, we all know that. His teams are always solid defensively with game manageable QB's.
They went 5-6 the next year, mainly because Plaxico Burress went to the NFL. Their offense in Saban's final year was "chuck the ball to Plaxico".
This post was edited on 9/8/12 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/8/12 at 1:53 pm to Dubaitiger
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6. Barry Sanders- Best RB ever!!!!
He was a lighty recruited RB from Kansas. Nobody knew who he was. BTW, he is not close to being the Best RB ever! Best in the open field, but as a RUNNING BACK, come on! He was a horrible blocker and receiver and came out of the game on 3rd downs and in the red zone.
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