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re: The bigger injustice is the scheduling

Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:48 am to
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:48 am to
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I disagree. I could see another scenario playing out like 2007. We would jump a two loss Big XII or B10 Champion.



We need to wipe 2007 from our discourse. That was a freak season with some unexpected late season collapses. We were the most deserving when the dust settled, but that was entirely out of our hands going into championship weekend.

A loss to UF will hurt LSU a lot more than a win over them will help us from a scheduling persepctive. Especially when a loss to an SEC East team affects our SEC West standing.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9762 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:50 am to
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A bunch of LSU fans whining like little girls.


it’s what we are.

this was actually put to a vote not long ago (since we went to 14 teams).

13 schools voted to keep it.
1 voted to change.

let that sink in for a moment.
Tennessee wants to get their shite pushed in by Bama.
Auburn is perfectly fine with getting a solid UGA team every year and vice versa
Florida wants to play us every year.

we’re bitching and crying because we have to play a team that finished above .500 in SEC play 3 times since Tebow graduated.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:52 am to
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So you're advocating things need to be changed IN LSU'S FAVOR simply because they are good now relative to the early 90's. What happens if you flip Tenn and UF, then 16 years later UF falls off a cliff while UT is a powerhouse again? Are we going to cry "unfair" once more?


No dummy, im not asking for special treatment, Im asking for others to not have special treatment. If you rotate BOTH cross division teams equally, nobody can complain about the schedule. if you keep one the same, then teams that have a weak cross division opponent are getting an advantage. And those that are matched with a good program get hosed. Sure its cyclical.... i'll hold my breath while Vandy builds a powerhouse.

And yes it helps the strength of schedule, but oops....SOS went out with the original BCS formula. Now its all Wins and committee's eye test and who can beat up on mediocre teams the most. Hmmm. wonder who that will favor.

If SOS was worth anything, I wouldn't complain. But its not anymore. Another reason why LSU should push to change this antiquated scheduling format.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:53 am to
You have obvoiusly missed the whole point of the targeting call on Devin White, it is not just about that call or about a few bad ref calls here and there.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:55 am to
quote:

this was actually put to a vote not long ago (since we went to 14 teams).

13 schools voted to keep it.
1 voted to change.

let that sink in for a moment.
Tennessee wants to get their shite pushed in by Bama.
Auburn is perfectly fine with getting a solid UGA team every year and vice versa
Florida wants to play us every year.

This is 100% false. Check your facts. LSU and three other schools want them scrapped.

quote:

SEC chancellors, presidents and athletic directors met Sunday in Atlanta and voted on the matter. They scrapped the idea of moving to a nine-game schedule, but school presidents voted 10-4 on keeping the permanent cross-division game


LINK
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:55 am to
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13 schools voted to keep it. 1 voted to change.


I explained earlier why it benefits every team but LSU. We are supposed to be ok with this?
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16049 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:55 am to
"This is the real Bama bias".


Scheduling is an issue but is not the real "Bama bias" by a long shot. You are way off
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:57 am to
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You have obvoiusly missed the whole point of the targeting call on Devin White, it is not just about that call or about a few bad ref calls here and there.


if you think the on field penalties are the biggest hose job LSU is getting, you're missing the forest for the trees. That's a drop in the bucket. And also easily dismissed as human error, since it happens in every game, and will never get any traction with the media. This other stuff is a whole system set up for decades to favor Alabama. newsflash: Hurting LSU helps Alabama. You think Bama would let this slide if we were matched up with Tennessee and they had Florida every year?
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
26129 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:58 am to
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I explained earlier why it benefits every team but LSU. We are supposed to be ok with this?



He was wrong about that vote. It wasn't 13-1, it was 10-4.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9762 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 11:59 am to
my bad, was going off of memory in the exact vote.
vote was still lopsided and the specific examples i gave are correct.
Posted by Central Tiger
Louisiana
Member since May 2006
2669 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:00 pm to
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quote:
In 1992 LSU was in the cellar and could only dream of getting to the point where this even mattered. But here we are and now it needs to be addressed.



quote:

So you're advocating things need to be changed IN LSU'S FAVOR simply because they are good now relative to the early 90's. What happens if you flip Tenn and UF, then 16 years later UF falls off a cliff while UT is a powerhouse again? Are we going to cry "unfair" once more?


That’s the point, though. Cyclical trends then wouldn’t matter since it would be the luck of the draw, more or less. Why would anybody cry “unfair” because either team is stronger than they are currently if all teams are rotating opponents? That’s precisely why schedules should be rotated, right?


Posted by jimdog
columbus, ga
Member since Dec 2012
6636 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:05 pm to
LOL! AU has a built in bye as well before the Iron B. if you bothered to look. Plus UF has been a total disaster except for a couple years under McElwain when they were just pretty good about like UT. BTW those 2 years we played them and beat them like a borrowed mule in the SEC. And we have faced UF 6 times in the last 10 years and are 6 and 0! About the same as we are against LSU except we have whipped them like they stole something most years. We have UGA in 2020 and played them IN ATHENS in 2015 and wore that arse out. Then played them again last year and won. We have played them twice before you did this year. We have played Georgia 4 times over the past 9 years and stand 4-0 with some beatdowns. So we are 10 and ZERO against the best the east has to offer in recent years! LOL!
This post was edited on 10/25/18 at 3:41 pm
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
9762 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:05 pm to
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I explained earlier why it benefits every team but LSU



how does Auburn playing UGA every year benefit them any more than us playing Florida?

how does UGA getting Auburn every year benefit them any more than us playing Florida?

how does Florida getting us every year benefit them any more than us playing them?

how does getting prison raped by Bama every year benefit Tennessee?


Posted by Kurt Eichenwald
Tentacle, USA
Member since Oct 2017
285 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:06 pm to
I know Tennessee is their permanent opponent, but it seems as if Bama plays Vandy/Mizzou every 2 years or so while Georgia and Florida only appear on their schedule once a decade.
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:08 pm to
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I know Tennessee is their permanent opponent, but it seems as if Bama plays Vandy/Mizzou every 2 years or so while Georgia and Florida only appear on their schedule once a decade.

This year was the first time Missouri came to Tuscaloosa.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:08 pm to
It always baffled me but its starting to make sense to me why this has never been made a huge deal. A big portion of LSU fans don't even understand that we are getting screwed. Theyre still complaining about a specific missed holding penalty from 3 years ago, while the Bama alums are still drawing up favorable schedules every year. They'll be complaining about Devin White 10 years from now while we're still playing florida/Georgia instead of Tennessee/Mizzou. If we cant even all recognize the big problem, it'll never be fixed.

Maybe you will get it after we:

Beat bama, then lose to them when they backdoor into the playoffs again.

or lose to Bama but cant backdoor our way into the playoffs because we played a couple extra top 10 teams from the east instead of cupcakes Tennessee and Mizzou.

Maybe then. But I doubt it.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59017 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:13 pm to
I like playing Florida
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:25 pm to
So do I. And I liked playing Georgia. I just wish Alabama could share that same experience.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38270 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:33 pm to
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You're blind dude


Maybe, or you're wrong, but that's OK.

quote:

Not every team gets hosed by the schedule every year.


You don't think Tennessee doesn't get hosed by the schedule every year now? Les and Joe tried to push this to no avail.

Are there more equatable ways to schedule? There are, but even that would have some limit. And there are schools that actually want those traditional rivalry games.

I would suggest that the method the NFL uses, where a team plays the cross division team that finishes in the equivalent position as one opponent. For the second team you play the one that finished opposite the previous year. So West #1 plays East #1 & #6. #2 plays #2 & #5 and so on. Of course last years performance may not be a good way to account for how good the team is this year but it is probably better than random selections.

Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12087 posts
Posted on 10/25/18 at 12:40 pm to
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I would suggest that the method the NFL uses, where a team plays the cross division team that finishes in the equivalent position as one opponent. For the second team you play the one that finished opposite the previous year. So West #1 plays East #1 & #6. #2 plays #2 & #5 and so on. Of course last years performance may not be a good way to account for how good the team is this year but it is probably better than random selections.


that's not terrible, but I think college is a different game since you have new players every year and not trying to keep parity like the NFL. Its too easy just to rotate all cross division foes. Then every 4 year player can do a home and away with every SEC team. Every fan can visit every stadium every few years. And most importantly no team gets a huge advantage or disadvantage when other teams suck or go on a hot streak for a decade or 2. If those 4 teams (bama, UT, UGA, Au) want to keep their rivalry games, they can do it as an out of conference matchup. Then the SEC schedules are more fair and rivalries are intact. Makes too much sense, and that's how you can tell there's an underlying motive for keeping it as is. or maybe its just a coincidence the SEC schedule makers wear Crimson on Saturdays.
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