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re: The BCS MANIPULATION
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:50 pm to lctiger
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:50 pm to lctiger
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actually you can say the only thing Bama had going for them is that LSU is so good and they played us close so they must be good too.
Yep. Alabama's biggest win of the season, by far, was a loss to LSU.
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:52 pm to Rex
quote:For once I agree with Rex.
This game is bullshite.
I loved it when the discussion kind of went away from the two best teams to talking about picking a team that was capable of beating LSU. OSU's defense didn't measure up so they were disregarded - forget about their resume, whether they deserved a shot, or had the best record, since their defense wasn't thought good enough to stop LSU they were not allowed to play.
That's not what the BCS website promotes.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 12:56 pm to MoreOrLes
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The purpose of the thread is to examine WHY bama got to stay @#2 and ESPN role along with the obvious manipulation of the formulas used to determine the BCS.
The obvious lesson here is that it doesn't matter a flip who the hell you beat during the regular season. It's all about who you lose to.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 1:06 pm to SLTiger29
yall are going way too far with this. yes mexia bias towards bama. But these mexia people believe they got it rt. So in theory if you think bama is the 2nd best team, then the bcs worked and shouldnt be scrapped. but yeah reece davis can go crawl in a cave in tuscalossa for all i care after we beat the tide again.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:00 pm to dgnx6
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So in theory if you think bama is the 2nd best team, then the bcs worked and shouldnt be scrapped.
You did not read the OP or the BCS website have you?
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:13 pm to BigBama504
Some more spin by that Andy Staples fellow. Isnt he a bama grad. All he said in his little rant was basically.......if the Big 12 doesnt like that the system CAN be manipulated they could have changed it.
It clearly doesnt mean it wasnt. And to the VAST majority of folks it clearly was.
We did already and won 9-6.
It clearly doesnt mean it wasnt. And to the VAST majority of folks it clearly was.
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but come on in the spirit of true champions play the best and with the power of the voters you will on Jan 9th.
We did already and won 9-6.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:16 pm to BigBama504
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FIVE of the voting coaches inexplicably vote your team #4 or #5, nor
when many of the human poll voters vote you #6 -
SIXTH, behind Houston and Arkansas ?????????
Taken from another poster in another thread.
That doesnt look like manipulation at all!
Posted on 12/6/11 at 5:22 pm to MoreOrLes
I have seen now in 2 straight days of Andy Staples and just now Brad edwards trying to blame or justify what they did.
Blaming the Big 12
What ESPN is really selling is....Dont blame anyone else if you dont like that the system can be manipulated.
And it was manipulated....you need only read the BCS website, look at who and how Harris and Coaches voted....and the mysterious, unpublished math in the computers.
Bama Spin is impressive nonetheless
Blaming the Big 12
What ESPN is really selling is....Dont blame anyone else if you dont like that the system can be manipulated.
And it was manipulated....you need only read the BCS website, look at who and how Harris and Coaches voted....and the mysterious, unpublished math in the computers.
Bama Spin is impressive nonetheless
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 5:25 pm to MoreOrLes
Solid post. Agree with just about all of it. 
Posted on 12/6/11 at 7:00 pm to loweralabamatrojan
I'm getting an ATPB vibe from this thread.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 7:05 pm to TigerTy
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I'm getting an ATPB vibe from this thread.
You have to ask yourself this..
1) Can/do the human voters manipulate the polls?
2) Who is in charge of the integrity of the computer polls?
3) Why are we, as fans, not allowed to see some of those formulas? Coaches are required to show their ballots. Harris voters ballots are also released. Why not the polls?
I personally thought that the voters would manipulate the polls in favor of Ok St.. and quite a few did.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 7:54 pm to bmy
Finally one that gets it. Who ever ended up playing LSU would have been because voters manipulated the votes. People complain that some coaches and we have no idea on the Harris poll they voted OSU at 4th to help UA. Probably so, but how many coaches voted OSU 2nd to help them just to not see a SEC rematch. Not because they felt OSU deserved it.
No offense but any fan that follows the game can see either team had just as much right to be there. If you think that every voter who put OSU at #2 did it because they think OSU is the 2nd best team in the country you are kidding yourself.
The main reason we need a playoff but it will never happen unless the people in charge can make money on it. The BCS right now pays over 7 figures to each Bowl CEO and bonuses based on attendance and ratings.
No offense but any fan that follows the game can see either team had just as much right to be there. If you think that every voter who put OSU at #2 did it because they think OSU is the 2nd best team in the country you are kidding yourself.
The main reason we need a playoff but it will never happen unless the people in charge can make money on it. The BCS right now pays over 7 figures to each Bowl CEO and bonuses based on attendance and ratings.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 8:59 pm to TideWarrior
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No offense but any fan that follows the game can see either team had just as much right to be there. If you think that every voter who put OSU at #2 did it because they think OSU is the 2nd best team in the country you are kidding yourself.
Really RIGHT.........STFU Gump YOU beat THREE Teams with a winning record....RIGHT keep up the delusion....WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE DEFENSE....against BS comp like N.TX, OLE MISS etc. AWESOME "RIGHT"
Posted on 12/6/11 at 9:58 pm to SLTiger29
In the State of Alabama and with Scam Newton, It would not surprise me what the legislators and Alabama Alums do to pay off people. That is all they have in Alabama is football. no professional teams. If you saw the Tide/War Eagle special last week on ESPN, these people will kill or do whatever for their program. I am serious. Things go down we never hear about...I can only imagine what happens in Alabama.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:40 pm to Klingler7
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Really RIGHT.........STFU Gump YOU beat THREE Teams with a winning record....RIGHT keep up the delusion....WE HAVE THE NUMBER ONE DEFENSE....against BS comp like N.TX, OLE MISS etc. AWESOME "RIGHT"
I see intelligence runs amuck in here. But it is what it is.
Just as awesome as those big wins over LA-Laf and Tulsa for OSU. Love those big wins go Cowboys. Doubt either could compete with Vandy TBH. But when you are trapped in your own mind sometimes reality is hard to comprehend.RTR
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:45 pm to TideWarrior
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I see intelligence runs amuck in here. But it is what it is.
Just as awesome as those big wins over LA-Laf and Tulsa for OSU. Love those big wins go Cowboys. Doubt either could compete with Vandy TBH. But when you are trapped in your own mind sometimes reality is hard to comprehend.RTR
They did beat a good Kansas St, Baylor, and a decent OU team too.
Let's be real.. Oklahoma st would probably have gone undefeated in the SEC-east this season.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:05 am to BigBama504
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Try this out for size in 2008 Mike Slive the SEC Commish lobbied to have a +1 system installed and guess who was one of the biggest haters of the plan??? Thats right tiger fans the BIG 12 president thought it was an awful plan and yet you guys and the ok st fans seem to think its a Bama conspiracy linked with ESPN.
What you should be doing is being happy to be there and rest in comfort no matter happens the SEC will win #6 in a row. I know it will be a war and I think we can stand up with you like NO ONE in the country can. If you are true football fans and want to play the best then you should be glad we got picked cause anything other than Bama is complete crap ok st sucks on defense you know and I know it hell the whole world knows it they are 107th... I know thats why you want them there but come on in the spirit of true champions play the best and with the power of the voters you will on Jan 9th.
Your argument would make sense except for one thing, which every last Bama fan chooses not to address: The mantra of "two best teams playing" should be "two best teams played", past tense. There is no damn way that when two teams play that the losing team gets a mulligan and BTW lets give the losing team the NC if they manage to win the game with their do-over. In other words, the winner of the first game is penalized big time for winning.
Why does not a single Bama fan's post address that point squarely, much less try to make sense of it?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:13 am to bmy
I think OSU or KSU could have. I agree their top wins were legit. I just do not give much credit to a win over Tulsa or La-Laf. And Texas, Missou, and aTm, are not far off if at all over UF, MSU, and Vandy. I just see 7-5 not really different from 6-6. Out of those 3 they all lost to the only ranked teams they played except Mizzou did beat Texas. MSU lost all 6 of their games to the 6 currently ranked SEC teams, including 4 of which are in the top 10. UF lost to 5 of those teams. I would wager GSU could beat La-Laf and Tulsa.
Does OSU probably have an edge in resume yes but not like so many wnat to skew it. Against the current top 25 teams UA is 3-1 OSU is 4-0.
You can not really transpose wins but OSU and KSU combined to beat aTM by a total of 4 points the same that Ark beat aTm. The way some draw assumptions on here that would make OSU and KSU as good as Ark and we saw how well Akr did against LSU and UA.
Yes OSU has a legit resume to be in the BCSNC but so does UA. The BCS has never worked because it still relys on the human element. Not saying the computer is any better. I would love to see a playoff also.I see more of injustice with KSU getting left out and VT going to be honest.
Does OSU probably have an edge in resume yes but not like so many wnat to skew it. Against the current top 25 teams UA is 3-1 OSU is 4-0.
You can not really transpose wins but OSU and KSU combined to beat aTM by a total of 4 points the same that Ark beat aTm. The way some draw assumptions on here that would make OSU and KSU as good as Ark and we saw how well Akr did against LSU and UA.
Yes OSU has a legit resume to be in the BCSNC but so does UA. The BCS has never worked because it still relys on the human element. Not saying the computer is any better. I would love to see a playoff also.I see more of injustice with KSU getting left out and VT going to be honest.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:15 am to L-S-U-L-S-U
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Why does not a single Bama fan's post address that point squarely, much less try to make sense of it?
What is the mulligan. If you are referring to not playing the extra game I do not see the issue. OSU played only 12 games like UA. They did not have to play a CCG like LSU did. Their last game was a regular season game. The big whatever they are gets 2 bye weeks now during their season.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 12:16 am to MoreOrLes
Based on this year's final BCS rankings, I have to say an 8 team playoff is the way to go. With a 4 team playoff, Stanford would be in and Pac-12 champ Oregon would be out.
BTW--anybody got any idea how the logistics of a playoff would work out? I'd have to nix allowing teams to play in their home stadiums--too much of an advantage for some (like us) and not the model basketball presents.
BTW--anybody got any idea how the logistics of a playoff would work out? I'd have to nix allowing teams to play in their home stadiums--too much of an advantage for some (like us) and not the model basketball presents.
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