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re: The BCS MANIPULATION
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:14 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:14 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Exactly. The BCS ONLY requires that #1 meet #2 and sets a few parameters for the other bowls. The two teams that the Sugar selected MET those parameters and were the ones that the Sugar Committee believed were best for them.
No one got "screwed".
The purpose of the thread is to examine WHY bama got to stay @#2 and ESPN role along with the obvious manipulation of the formulas used to determine the BCS.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:14 am
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:14 am to Rex
Rex, I agree with this. A playoff system would make things even worse. But I think its possible to create a formula where your wins are worth X, your wins over top teams are worth xy, etc. Im sure you could factor im things like CCGs, winning on the road, MOV, and you would maintain the sanctity of the regular season and the prestige of the bowl games, and still determine a true NC
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:16 am to MoreOrLes
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The purpose of the thread is to examine WHY bama got to stay @#2
ummmmm.....because the BCS formula came out with Bama at #2.
There was no Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy here.
Coach's Poll + Harris Poll + Computers = LSU - Bama- OSU
pretty simple
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:16 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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.009 or something like that.
YOU have an opinion. The formula was, indeed, exceedingly close.
ETA: You may think that OSU was the correct choice.
I believe that BAMA was the correct choice. Obviously, it was "close"
You only look at the surface of the results. Look at the formula.....oh wait you cant...they are not published and no one can figure it out.
Ok, lets look at the Harris and Coaches....yeah some of those votes make no sense. The manipulation was obvious.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:17 am to SLTiger29
I could probably come up with a decent algorithm if I had time. Of course, this algorithm would take a book to explain it. 
inb4 he's a stats nerd
inb4 he's a stats nerd
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:18 am to ChiutFan
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Bammers get upset because no one acknowledges them as champs, but instead calls them chumps. Bammers commit sucide like the lemmings they are.
Don't forget that they print the shirts.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:20 am to MoreOrLes
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You only look at the surface of the results. Look at the formula.....oh wait you cant...they are not published and no one can figure it out.
It was the same way every time LSU made it to the big game. Different formulas, but same situation. "We" are only whining now because of the Bama factor.
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Ok, lets look at the Harris and Coaches....yeah some of those votes make no sense. The manipulation was obvious.
The "manipulation" is inferred by the viewer. The sample size is large enough that the level of "manipulation" would need to be very high to make a huge affect.
Again, I think the formula got it right.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:21 am to MoreOrLes
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:22 am to MoreOrLes
i really like the BCS system, but would prefer a +1 set up using the big 4 BCS bowls as a playoff
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 11:23 am
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:23 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
The problem with the human polls is they are prone to bias more so than computer polls. A good sports statistical algorithm, whether it is for rankings or for individual ratings, should provide a numerical value for what we already should know. Sometimes the value will catch you by surprise. Sometimes it will not.
Of course, any algorithm created by humans also has some bias in it as well. Ideally, the algorithm contains far less bias and is more objective than the "eye test." As Obi-Wan Kenobi said, "Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them."
Of course, any algorithm created by humans also has some bias in it as well. Ideally, the algorithm contains far less bias and is more objective than the "eye test." As Obi-Wan Kenobi said, "Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them."
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:23 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Something went down behind the scenes. You had voters purposely voting down OK State, you had a poll that took points away from LSU for winning, same poll gave points to UGA for losing. This incident itself had no affect, but it just proves how fricked up it is. Saban got airtime on 2 different networks, there were crawls across the screen before the end of Bedlam announcing the title game before it was supposedly determined. All of this sound like a bunc of coincidences to you?
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:25 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Computers
we'll never know why oklahoma st got almost no jump for beating OU, the #4 team in the sagarin poll
i think we see some BCS tweaks after this year probably. but grats to alabama getting into the game
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:25 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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It was the same way every time LSU made it to the big game. Different formulas, but same situation. "We" are only whining now because of the Bama factor.
WTF? No one here including me is disputing bama is currently #2 in the BCS.
Why is it that when ever any one questions why they are #2 are they whining.
I think to most the manipulation was obvious and so was the media bias.
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The sample size is large enough that the level of "manipulation" would need to be very high to make a huge affect.
One Computer Poll? Affected How many Harris Voters were needed. If there is no manipulation or fraud publish the math......they wont.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:25 am to SLTiger29
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Something went down behind the scenes. You had voters purposely voting down OK State, you had a poll that took points away from LSU for winning, same poll gave points to UGA for losing. This incident itself had no affect, but it just proves how fricked up it is. Saban got airtime on 2 different networks, there were crawls across the screen before the end of Bedlam announcing the title game before it was supposedly determined. All of this sound like a bunc of coincidences to you?
$$$
ESPN is not obligated to give coaches equal air time, etc. They serve their own interests and they do it well. That's not a conspiracy.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:27 am to MoreOrLes
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Ok, lets look at the Harris and Coaches....yeah some of those votes make no sense. The manipulation was obvious.
Which ones?
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:28 am to SLTiger29
Sounds like a bunch of whining and kook speak, to me. Sorry. That is the way I see it.
This sounds like the "no plane hit the pentagon" and "the Jews were warned to stay home on 9-11" garbage.
I honestly believe that the BCS has worked very well. I am ready for a great game on Jan 09, 2012 and to see LSU cap an historic season off with a huge win against a deserving foe.
I do not get the angst and vitriol against the "system".
This sounds like the "no plane hit the pentagon" and "the Jews were warned to stay home on 9-11" garbage.
I honestly believe that the BCS has worked very well. I am ready for a great game on Jan 09, 2012 and to see LSU cap an historic season off with a huge win against a deserving foe.
I do not get the angst and vitriol against the "system".
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:28 am to jlc05
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:29 am to jlc05
The ones that had two loss Oregon ahead of one loss OK State
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:29 am to MoreOrLes
Didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this was brought up, and if it was, I apologize in advance.
I thought it was kind of strange that the computers were loving OSU, and if I'm not wrong, all of them had OSU at #2 and then somehow for the final week, 2 of the computers had OSU at #3. I wonder if a programmer may not have tweaked the formula in Bama's favor.
I thought it was kind of strange that the computers were loving OSU, and if I'm not wrong, all of them had OSU at #2 and then somehow for the final week, 2 of the computers had OSU at #3. I wonder if a programmer may not have tweaked the formula in Bama's favor.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 11:30 am to SLTiger29
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The ones that had two loss Oregon ahead of one loss OK State
what about the guy who voted Houston ahead of Oklahoma St?
good stuff, really. i'm fine with the human votes being manipulated.. that power over the computers is important, IMO.
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