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The Arnsparger-Archer-Spurrier thing
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:28 pm
Can any of you older and wiser posters tell me if my historical impression is accurate?
Arnsparger quits. Goes to Florida to be the AD. We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and Archer (who was Arnsparger's DC). We choose Archer.
Three years later, Spurrier gets hired by, coincidentally, Arnsparger at Florida. Spurrier proceeds to kick our arse for the next....oh....11 to 12 years, with the exception of 1997.
If this is all accurate, how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history? And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people? Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
Arnsparger quits. Goes to Florida to be the AD. We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and Archer (who was Arnsparger's DC). We choose Archer.
Three years later, Spurrier gets hired by, coincidentally, Arnsparger at Florida. Spurrier proceeds to kick our arse for the next....oh....11 to 12 years, with the exception of 1997.
If this is all accurate, how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history? And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people? Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
This post was edited on 5/7/10 at 4:30 pm
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Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:44 pm to TxTiger82
the players wanted archer.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:50 pm to lsu7171
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the players wanted archer.
yep the players went before the board to plead their case for wanting Archer. LSU had some real screwy ways of doing things back, and rarely did they make any sense. I remember hearing that when spurrier came in for the interview they took him out to TJ ribs. While at the same time another candidate is in there also with another group boosters. Apparently spurrier question them about this and wasn't very happy and thats part of the reasons for his axe to grind with LSU.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:53 pm to lsu7171
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the players wanted archer.
Of course, he was a players coach who let the inmates run the asylum.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 4:55 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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LSU had some real screwy ways of doing things back, and rarely did they make any sense. I remember hearing that when spurrier came in for the interview they took him out to TJ ribs. While at the same time another candidate is in there also with another group boosters. Apparently spurrier question them about this and wasn't very happy and thats part of the reasons for his axe to grind with LSU.
No.
The real story is that Spurrier came into BR and was basically stood up by the LSU hire-ups at TJ Ribs while they were naming Archer the HC.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:11 pm to LSUAlum2001
Spurrier was pissed because he thought he was a perfect match for LSU and LSU basically didn't give him the time of day.
Yeah this was perhaps the worst no-hire in history.
P.S. Arnsparger also pimped for Archer. Archer was his boy.
Yeah this was perhaps the worst no-hire in history.
P.S. Arnsparger also pimped for Archer. Archer was his boy.
This post was edited on 5/7/10 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:26 pm to Ponchy Tiger
regardless in all likelihood he would have went to UF in 3 years anyway
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:32 pm to BilJ
Mack Brown was reportedly in the mix too, but I don't have any insider stories. It could just be B.S..
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:44 pm to lsutigers1992
Arnsparger screwed us. Conspiracy.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:46 pm to LSUAlum2001
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The real story is that Spurrier came into BR and was basically stood up by the LSU hire-ups at TJ Ribs while they were naming Archer the HC.
Wasn't Donald Ray Kennard introducing Spurrier around town as the next coach?
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:52 pm to carrell
Don't forget Mike Shanahan was one of the three finalists for the job as well.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:55 pm to TxTiger82
It gets worse.
Mike Shanahan also interviewed when Arnsparger left.
Yes, THAT Mike Shanahan.
Mike Shanahan also interviewed when Arnsparger left.
Yes, THAT Mike Shanahan.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 7:59 pm to Lsupimp
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Mike Shanahan also interviewed when Arnsparger left.
That is something I did not know.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 8:07 pm to biglego
Keep in mind that at the time, Spurrier's only head coaching experience was with the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 8:26 pm to BilJ
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regardless in all likelihood he would have went to UF in 3 years anyway
Possible but you never know. If not for contract problems Pat Sullivan would have been the HC in 1995 and not Dinardo. If LSU beats Florida State in 1979 in Baton Rouge then Bobby Bowden would have replaced Charlie Mac.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 9:21 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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LSU had some real screwy ways of doing things back, and rarely did they make any sense.
Fortunately LSU has gotten a little better in hiring coaches, but way too many things around LSU make any sense.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 9:30 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Not entirely accurate.
Arnsparger quits. Goes to Florida to be the AD. We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and Archer (who was Arnsparger's DC). We choose Archer.
Three years later, Spurrier gets hired by, coincidentally, Arnsparger at Florida. Spurrier proceeds to kick our arse for the next....oh....11 to 12 years, with the exception of 1997.
If this is all accurate, how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history? And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people? Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
Spurrier was not yet coach at Duke. He had been an assistant coach at Duke and head coach in the United States Football League. So, while he was a promising coach, he was not quite the slam dunk hire that it seems in retrospect.
Also, Arnsparger was not yet A.D. at Florida. He didn't immediately take the job, and LSU's chancellor, Jim Wharton, wanted Arnsparger to become LSU's A.D. Wharton had run off Bob Brodhead because Arnsparger didn't like him. So, because Arnsparger had recommended Archer for the LSU job, Wharton pushed for Archer in hopes it would convince Arnsparger to stay as A.D.
Spurrier interviewed, then withdrew his name from consideration when he figured out that he wasn't being seriously considered.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 9:38 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Not entirely accurate.
Arnsparger quits. Goes to Florida to be the AD. We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and Archer (who was Arnsparger's DC). We choose Archer.
Three years later, Spurrier gets hired by, coincidentally, Arnsparger at Florida. Spurrier proceeds to kick our arse for the next....oh....11 to 12 years, with the exception of 1997.
If this is all accurate, how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history? And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people? Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
Spurrier was not yet coach at Duke. He had been an assistant coach at Duke and head coach in the United States Football League. So, while he was a promising coach, he was not quite the slam dunk hire that it seems in retrospect.
Also, Arnsparger was not yet A.D. at Florida. He didn't immediately take the job, and LSU's chancellor, Jim Wharton, wanted Arnsparger to become LSU's A.D. Wharton had run off Bob Brodhead because Arnsparger didn't like him. So, because Arnsparger had recommended Archer for the LSU job, Wharton pushed for Archer in hopes it would convince Arnsparger to stay as A.D.
Spurrier interviewed, then withdrew his name from consideration when he figured out that he wasn't being seriously considered.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 10:14 pm to HeadSlash
As far as I remember Headslash, you are correct. My Dad at that time was real good friends with Donald Ray Kennard and I do believe that Spurrier was actually being considered. However, politics as usual at that time really paved the way. I remember John Mckeithen at that time one of the BOS really questioning whether Archer had what it took to be the Head Coach of LSU, but as someone mentioned, real parade of players coming forth pushing for Archer, among them being Tommy Hodson. the rest is history.
Posted on 5/7/10 at 10:30 pm to TxTiger82
Spurrier never got interviewed.
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