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re: The Arnsparger-Archer-Spurrier thing
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:24 pm to RedStickCock
Posted on 5/7/10 at 11:24 pm to RedStickCock
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Also, Arnsparger was not yet A.D. at Florida. He didn't immediately take the job,
yeah, folks forget that he first interviewed for the Florida AD job in '86 ('just to talk about it' was his quote at the time)...two weeks before the season opener, w/o permission and while Brodhead is at an AD meeting.
Brodhead learns of the Uncle Bill's plans, while in Chicago, from the out-going AD of Fl., Bill Carr...who apologized repeatedly to Brodhead.
Carr had given in resignation months earlier, but had agreed to stay on until his replacement was found. Carr was as shocked as Brodhead, since Arnsparger's name had not been on the list of interviewees the day before the Chicago meeting.
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Posted on 5/8/10 at 8:16 am to TxTiger82
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how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history?
It was.
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And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people?
He only recommended Archer. It was not his call to make, so he's not the one who ultimately made the decision.
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Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
Officially, he wanted the AD job because it was a step up. Unofficially...there were rumors I heard about that involved something personal that made him not want to stay in Baton Rouge.
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We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and Archer (who was Arnsparger's DC). We choose Archer.
Actually, we didn't interview Spurrier. He wanted the job and flew here for an interview, but we left him sitting at the airport and didn't even bother to tell him we had hired Archer. He waited a while, then flew back home. Because we didn't really have an AD at the time, some idiot thought it would be a good idea to put the coaching search in the hands of a god-damned FACULTY COMMITTEE, who in turn thought it would be a good idea to listen to the fricking players! The result was the worst mistake in LSU football history.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 8:18 am to ULL Cool J
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that at the time, Spurrier's only head coaching experience was with the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL.
I thought he was the head coach at Duke at that time.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 8:38 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Sorry, but you are wrong. The Athletic Committee did interview him. I know this because I was a sportswriter at the time and interviewed Spurrier after his interview with the Athletic Committee. He was not left at the airport.
Actually, we didn't interview Spurrier. He wanted the job and flew here for an interview, but we left him sitting at the airport and didn't even bother to tell him we had hired Archer. He waited a while, then flew back home. Because we didn't really have an AD at the time, some idiot thought it would be a good idea to put the coaching search in the hands of a god-damned FACULTY COMMITTEE, who in turn thought it would be a good idea to listen to the fricking players! The result was the worst mistake in LSU football history.
I've heard this urban legend before, but that's all it is.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 8:50 am to Nuts4LSU
quote:Spurrier was head coach at Duke from 1987-89. Archer also became LSU's head coach in 1987.
I thought he was the head coach at Duke at that time
Posted on 5/8/10 at 9:34 am to RedStickCock
Spurrier was interviewed but Archer was hired on the recommendation of Arnsparger and because the players politiced for him.
After that, Spurrier being Spurrier, always resented the fact that LSU chose to go with an unproven young coach instead of him. He even said several times that he would prove to LSU every chance he got that they made a mistake not hiring him and gloated over the arse-whippings he applied.
I always said Arnsparger was overrated as a coach and a man. People love to talk about Les winning with Saban's players but the same can be said about BA winning with Jerry Stovall's recruits. I hold him in the same regard, at least as a man, as I do The Little Prick.
After that, Spurrier being Spurrier, always resented the fact that LSU chose to go with an unproven young coach instead of him. He even said several times that he would prove to LSU every chance he got that they made a mistake not hiring him and gloated over the arse-whippings he applied.
I always said Arnsparger was overrated as a coach and a man. People love to talk about Les winning with Saban's players but the same can be said about BA winning with Jerry Stovall's recruits. I hold him in the same regard, at least as a man, as I do The Little Prick.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 9:42 am to TxTiger82
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Three years later, Spurrier gets hired by, coincidentally, Arnsparger at Florida. Spurrier proceeds to kick our arse for the next....oh....11 to 12 years, with the exception of 1997.
I think Spurrier takes that Florida job even had he been hired at LSU.
No way to know how that might have impacted LSU's course, but that scenario probably keeps us from hiring Curley.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 9:49 am to MiketheTiger69
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I always said Arnsparger was overrated as a coach and a man.
I was always a bit less a fan than most as well.
His teams bowl performances were attrocious. In fact I still count that Liberty Bowl loss to Baylor as the worst LSU bowl showing in my lifetime.
He was a defensive guru no doubt, but I never cared for his bend-but-don't break style.
He was also a pretty grumpy and fairly arrogant old fart.
And you are correct, he did take over a talented bunch. He recruited well his first year here, but he really hated recruiting and he digressed in that dept. each of the next two years, continuing a slide in that dept that continued under Archer to a dearth in talent here that was startling.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 10:26 am to BilJ
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regardless in all likelihood he would have went to UF in 3 years anyway
Posted on 5/8/10 at 10:31 am to Tiger Ugly
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His teams bowl performances were attrocious. In fact I still count that Liberty Bowl loss to Baylor as the worst LSU bowl showing in my lifetime.
He was a defensive guru no doubt, but I never cared for his bend-but-don't break style.
He was also a pretty grumpy and fairly arrogant old fart.
And you are correct, he did take over a talented bunch. He recruited well his first year here, but he really hated recruiting and he digressed in that dept. each of the next two years, continuing a slide in that dept that continued under Archer to a dearth in talent here that was startling.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 10:38 am to RedStickCock
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I know this because I was a sportswriter at the time and interviewed Spurrier after his interview with the Athletic Committee
Taking you at your word, I always was of the opinion that Arnsparger had a deal set with Florida to become their next AD while he coached LSU in his final season here...what say you?
Posted on 5/8/10 at 10:53 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:I think you are correct. Sometime during the 1986 football season, Florida announced it was "suspending" its search, then resumed its "search" with a second Arnsparger interview after the season (if memory serves, after the bowl games). The only way I can make sense of that is that they'd found their man, and that either he said he'd take it after the season or that he he couldn't give them a final answer until after the season.
I always was of the opinion that Arnsparger had a deal set with Florida to become their next AD while he coached LSU in his final season here...what say you?
It was clear that he was ticked at Brodhead. I can remember the press conference they had in the L Club room in the Assembly Center. They had a long table, with Brodhead on one end, Arnsparger on the other, neither looking at each other, and Jim Wharton trying to make it sound like everything was hunky-dory. That October, Brodhead was hit with ethics charges claiming he had a conflict of interest by going on vacations with Doug Manship Sr., who owned WJBO, which then was the flagship station for LSU athletics. I always thought the ethics issue was minor and an excuse to shove Brodhead out the door because Wharton wanted to keep Arnsparger.
I and another reporter interviewed Arnsparger in his office after practice the day that Brodhead resigned. Arnsparger had a takeout plate of food on his desk, and he never even looked up from it as we asked him about Brodhead and he said essentially nothing. Real big-hearted guy, that Arnsparger.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 11:17 am to RedStickCock
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The only way I can make sense of that is that they'd found their man, and that either he said he'd take it after the season or that he he couldn't give them a final answer until after the season.
That was my take at the time and it really put a sour taste in my mouth for both Wharton and Arnsparger.
That taste only got worst as I watched the next Gator AD and the football team he coached having such input in our coaching selection process.
It was like I was dreaming a nightmare and couldn't wake up. lol
Thanks for the information.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:10 pm to TxTiger82
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We interview Spurrier (who was the coach of Duke) and
He was not the coach at Duke at that time, his first year at Duke was 87, also Archer's first year at LSU. This topic has been discussed on here many times, after the 86 season several big time schools aside from LSU were looking for coaches Texas was 1, I think Alabama and USC were also looking and the school that hired SOS was Duke. That should tell people something. Its much easier to judge these things with 20/20 hindsight.
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If this is all accurate, how can this not be the worst decision in LSU football history?
Its not accurate. Everything looks different in hindsight. There is a lot more to building a winning than simply having a good coach, so you can not assume that had LSU hired SOS we would have been what Florida was in the 90's. You also can not rule out the possibility that he would have taken the Florida job in 1990 anyway.
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And why is Arnsparger not more of a villain in the eyes of LSU people? Why the frick did he leave in the first place?
There is no need to view him as villain, other than the fact that recruiting started to drop off under him. The talented 86 and 87 teams where mostly recruited by Stovall. He was also 64 years old and wanted the AD job at LSU, but University politics would not let that happen. So he left to take the UF AD job.
This post was edited on 5/8/10 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:28 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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yep the players went before the board to plead their case for wanting Archer.
At the time, Hodson was all world. I remember watching on TV as he and few other high profile players went before the Board and basically intimated that they would look to transfer if Archer wasn't hired.
Arnsparger was pushing really hard for Archer. I'm pretty damn sure that Arnsparger didn't quit as HC to become Florida's A.D. I believe that happened about a year later and one of the first things he did was hire Spurrier, whom he had spurned at LSU.
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:33 pm to Newbomb Turk
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I'm pretty damn sure that Arnsparger didn't quit as HC to become Florida's A.D. I believe that happened about a year later and one of the first things he did was hire Spurrier, whom he had spurned at LSU.
well I'm pretty damn sure you are wrong, he was AD at Florida from 1986-1992. He coached LSU to the 1986 SEC title. He did hire SOS after the 1989 season at Florida, he may have had influence on his replacement at LSU, but he did not have any authority to "spurn" SOS at LSU.
And Again SOS had just as much HC experience as Archer at the time Archer was hired. Several other big programs passed on Spurrier for coaches that are long forgotten at those schools.
This post was edited on 5/8/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:49 pm to LSUAlum2001
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The real story is that Spurrier came into BR and was basically stood up by the LSU hire-ups at TJ Ribs
What is a "hire-up"? Someone with a hire grade in spelling?
This post was edited on 5/8/10 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 5/8/10 at 12:55 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:Urban legend.
The real story is that Spurrier came into BR and was basically stood up by the LSU hire-ups at TJ Ribs while they were naming Archer the HC.
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