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The amount of overreacting to the guys declaring for the draft is ridiculous
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:37 pm
Just for reference, 181 underclassmen declared for the draft last season. 181!!! Many of those who did you watched play college basketball THIS season:
Bryce Brown - Auburn
Terence Davis - Ole Miss
Carsen Edwards - Purdue
Bruno Fernando - Maryland
Admon Gilder - A&M
Jared Harper - Auburn
Jalen Hudson - Florida
Fletcher Magee - Wofford
Lamar Peters - Miss. St.
Admiral Schofield - Tennessee
Reid Travis - Stanford
Nick Ward - Michigan St.
P.J. Washington - Kentucky
Quinndary Weatherspoon - Miss. St.
Austin Wiley - Auburn
And that's not all the guys who ultimately withdrew.
There are new rules in place this year that allow guys even more freedom to test the NBA waters without losing their college eligibility. Contrary to the misinformation cited in nearly every thread, players ARE allowed to hire agents without forfeiting their eligibility. Players are also allowed to participate in the NBA combine and private workouts (with restrictions), but still return to college. Finally, while there seems to be a bit of confusion simply because the NCAA does a shitty job of clearly setting forth information, a guy who participates in the combine but still goes completely undrafted can choose to return to school.
As for the LSU players, it has been known from Day 1 that Reid was a one-and-done guy. We can debate if that is a wise decision, but him making it surprises no one, most notably, Will Wade.
Just about everyone felt Waters was leaving at the end of the season as well. He's probably one of the few candidates who will likely get an invite to the combine but may go undrafted. That said, his biggest "negative" (lack of size) can't be improved by returning to LSU. Thus, I think he ultimately chooses to try to work his way to the NBA via the Summer league and/or G-league even though may be able to return to school.
The others, Mays, Smart, Williams seem likely to be testing the waters, even though their heart felt thank you notes seems to suggest otherwise. They will know at least by May 29th, if not sooner, their prospects of getting drafted.
Now, I'm sure most would say the Wade uncertainty is what is forcing these decisions. While I agree to some extent, it's entirely likely the Smart, Mays, Williams would have "declared" even if Wade weren't suspended. There isn't a significant downside to them simply declaring and going through the process because they still have the option to return to school (up to a point). If Wade is reinstated they will almost assuredly take that into consideration. If he's let go, then they were likely leaving LSU anyway whether it be the draft or transfer.
If we get past May 29th and Mays, Smart and Williams haven't withdrawn, then we can be concerned. Otherwise, NOW is not the time to panic about this.
Bryce Brown - Auburn
Terence Davis - Ole Miss
Carsen Edwards - Purdue
Bruno Fernando - Maryland
Admon Gilder - A&M
Jared Harper - Auburn
Jalen Hudson - Florida
Fletcher Magee - Wofford
Lamar Peters - Miss. St.
Admiral Schofield - Tennessee
Reid Travis - Stanford
Nick Ward - Michigan St.
P.J. Washington - Kentucky
Quinndary Weatherspoon - Miss. St.
Austin Wiley - Auburn
And that's not all the guys who ultimately withdrew.
There are new rules in place this year that allow guys even more freedom to test the NBA waters without losing their college eligibility. Contrary to the misinformation cited in nearly every thread, players ARE allowed to hire agents without forfeiting their eligibility. Players are also allowed to participate in the NBA combine and private workouts (with restrictions), but still return to college. Finally, while there seems to be a bit of confusion simply because the NCAA does a shitty job of clearly setting forth information, a guy who participates in the combine but still goes completely undrafted can choose to return to school.
As for the LSU players, it has been known from Day 1 that Reid was a one-and-done guy. We can debate if that is a wise decision, but him making it surprises no one, most notably, Will Wade.
Just about everyone felt Waters was leaving at the end of the season as well. He's probably one of the few candidates who will likely get an invite to the combine but may go undrafted. That said, his biggest "negative" (lack of size) can't be improved by returning to LSU. Thus, I think he ultimately chooses to try to work his way to the NBA via the Summer league and/or G-league even though may be able to return to school.
The others, Mays, Smart, Williams seem likely to be testing the waters, even though their heart felt thank you notes seems to suggest otherwise. They will know at least by May 29th, if not sooner, their prospects of getting drafted.
Now, I'm sure most would say the Wade uncertainty is what is forcing these decisions. While I agree to some extent, it's entirely likely the Smart, Mays, Williams would have "declared" even if Wade weren't suspended. There isn't a significant downside to them simply declaring and going through the process because they still have the option to return to school (up to a point). If Wade is reinstated they will almost assuredly take that into consideration. If he's let go, then they were likely leaving LSU anyway whether it be the draft or transfer.
If we get past May 29th and Mays, Smart and Williams haven't withdrawn, then we can be concerned. Otherwise, NOW is not the time to panic about this.
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Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:40 pm to Alt26
I agree. Folks here are obsessed with this. I accepted long ago that these guys are here for 1 season, then your coach must reload. If a talented guy stays more than one, great, but my focus will never, ever be on this.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:41 pm to Alt26
Dumbass. Players can hire an agent and go through the draft and then return to school if they want. Stop this stupid shite already.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:45 pm to Tiger Ree
Hold your horses there buddy boy… They certainly can ask for an NBA evaluation but they have to withdraw prior to June 1 to maintain their amateur status. They absolutely cannot go through the NBA draft which occurs June 20th.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:47 pm to Tiger Ree
Imagine that. You calling someone a dumba*s. You are known as one of the biggest jacka*ses on this forum. Besides, it seems you agree with his post, so why are you calling him a dumba*s ?
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:49 pm to Alt26
Naz and Waters are gone, the others come back. Which is what we all expected.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:50 pm to Tiger Ree
May want to read it before you post.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:51 pm to Disgeaux Bob
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This post was edited on 12/27/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 4/11/19 at 5:54 pm to Alt26
Why everyone myself include are panicking is wade still not back, players look to be leaving or wanting to leave and we have bishop and manning coming in with no one else as of now. Sorry this is concerning.
If wade was the coach and we had recruits considering or ever wanting to come here I would t bat an eye but we don’t. Maybe we finish strong but until wade is back and can recruit this does look troubling
If wade was the coach and we had recruits considering or ever wanting to come here I would t bat an eye but we don’t. Maybe we finish strong but until wade is back and can recruit this does look troubling
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:04 pm to Disgeaux Bob
quote:
Hold your horses there buddy boy… They certainly can ask for an NBA evaluation but they have to withdraw prior to June 1 to maintain their amateur status. They absolutely cannot go through the NBA draft which occurs June 20th.
The NCAA issued a memo to coaches on 3/13/19 discussing the new rules. As is par for the course, it's somewhat convoluted and unclear. Read it for yourself
LINK
However, it appears the general consensus in reading recent articles on the topic is that if a guy is (1) invited to combine and (2) goes completely undrafted, he has a day to decide if he wants to return to school. That could be wrong, but that's the info I'm seeing.
But otherwise, you're right, they appear to have to withdraw by at least May 29th
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:10 pm to Alt26
NCAA's competition is increasing.....purely speculative but there will likely be more rule changes coming soon.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:18 pm to Alt26
quote:It's our own fault for yelling "GO TIGERS!" at them.
overreacting to the guys declaring for the draft is ridiculous
They just misunderstood what we meant.....
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:39 pm to Alt26
A huge part of this is that in addition to short term signing with an agent, the players can now allow the argent to pay for meals and travel expenses for them and their family while they’re being “courted” by the agent and working out for teams. Any half way talented player is going to do this as long as they can get the school to submit them for evaluation by the NBA undeclassmen committee, which is all that’s required. The kids are doing this to get wined and dined even if they have every intention of coming back to school.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:41 pm to Alt26
quote:
The amount of overreacting to the guys declaring for the draft is ridiculous by Alt26
I'll repeat, we don't have any recruits coming in. It is dead for us.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:49 pm to Alt26
why you reading this long book? chill out
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:52 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:
Dumbass. Players can hire an agent and go through the draft and then return to school if they want. Stop this stupid shite already.
Calls him a dumbass and then agrees with him. You’re the biggest loser in here, and if life was fair you wouldn’t exist
Posted on 4/11/19 at 7:08 pm to BilltheTiger
quote:
I'll repeat, we don't have any recruits coming in. It is dead for us.
Reid and Waters are gone and you have two guys signed for the 2019 class. Right now Mays, Smart and Williams still have the option to return to school (Reid and Waters do as well, but I assume they aren't considering that option). I promise you Wade has talked to these guys about their decisions. I would bet Wade and the players have had discussions well before the end of the season about what their plans would be for after the season. He needs to know that information so he can develop a recruiting plan. For instance, I highly doubt he tells Daryl Edwards to walk if he didn't think much of his rotation would be back.
I don't know any of these guys personally and I can't say whether they will or won't choose to return to school. All I'm saying is that it's not time to completely freak out over every guy's decision to declare because they still have the option to return. In fact, many do. Like I said in the OP, 181 underclassmen declared last year and many of those returned to school.
If Wade is eventually fired, then those guys were almost assuredly gone anyway and the recruiting class is toast. But lets not completely panic until there are more assurances of what will or won't happen. Just because Smart, Mays, Williams have declared doesn't mean they are 100% gone at this time. When that time comes and they are still gone, then freak out. Otherwise, let it play out.
The first step is figuring out what will happen with Wade. LSU needs to make a decision on that.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:14 pm to Alt26
I think if Wade comes back then most come back. Exception Naz, Tremont, Smart and possibly Skyler. Bigby -Williams has no more eligibility left. Emmitt really should be back along with Skyler. That gives us a good nucleus.
If Wade doesn't come back then it is all over. They all leave one way or the other with the possible exception of Skyler and the walk on's. New coach will have to start almost from scratch just like Wade did.
But the madness of the situation still exists. How can you support a team that changes so drastically from season to season? If the Warriors lost Kerr, Curry and a couple of other starters, how much would their support drop off. LSU fans were so hungry for roundball wins and now have to look to the future again.
If Wade doesn't come back then it is all over. They all leave one way or the other with the possible exception of Skyler and the walk on's. New coach will have to start almost from scratch just like Wade did.
But the madness of the situation still exists. How can you support a team that changes so drastically from season to season? If the Warriors lost Kerr, Curry and a couple of other starters, how much would their support drop off. LSU fans were so hungry for roundball wins and now have to look to the future again.
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:19 pm to Alt26
Fully agree with all that you said, and that was my thinking...
They are just testing the ‘Waters’. ‘Sky’ could be the limit, and they would be ‘Smart’ to take the money and opt out now if Wade is kicked to the curb. If Wade is kicked out, things will become ‘Naz’-ty.
They are just testing the ‘Waters’. ‘Sky’ could be the limit, and they would be ‘Smart’ to take the money and opt out now if Wade is kicked to the curb. If Wade is kicked out, things will become ‘Naz’-ty.
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