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Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:34 am to
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Stopping A&M from crippling our program is not a victory for Alleva. The fact that we were vulnerable like that in the first place is evidence of his mismanagement.


So losing coordinators is crippling a program? It seems EVERY single program is Vulnerable like that.

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My main point in this thread is to illustrate how effectively A&M handled it's DC hiring process and say that LSU should learn from that. A&M identified about 6 guys as elite targets. Landing any one of them would be "success." Landing Aranda had the benefit of landing, in my opinion, the best DC in the game in addition to crippling one of its hated rivals which it hadn't beaten in 7 years. If the AD had pulled this off, he would have been an absolute hero to A&M fans.
Good point and I agree, for the most part.

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LSU should not have put themselves in such a situation - becoming uniquely dependent on maintaining a DC for its long-term success. They were only in that situation because of how poorly Alleva and the administration handled the HC hire.
There are one maybe two programs in the country that would not be seriously hurt by losing Dave Aranda. We are not one of those nor will we be any time soon. Give it up.

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Again, we've only heard really three names mentioned on these boards - Briles (hot name), Freeze (hot name, pardon the irony), and Ensminger (current LSU position coach). We also are now reading leaked information that LSU will likely hire neither Briles nor Freeze and there are sports commentators connected to the program speculating, well, I guess it will be Ensminger.
Freeze and Briles are done. It will not be them, neither will it be Ensminger unless 5 or 6 preferred options fall through.



Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:39 am to
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So losing coordinators is crippling a program? It seems EVERY single program is Vulnerable like that.


Losing Aranda would cripple LSU's program because of how uniquely dependent O is on Aranda. That's the difference and it illustrates our instability.

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Freeze and Briles are done. It will not be them, neither will it be Ensminger unless 5 or 6 preferred options fall through.


Well, I hope you are right about the other options. Because if it is Ensminger, I've used up a lot of space in my prior posts explaining the likely dynamics that will unfold.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:41 am to
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pre-madonnas.


*prima donnas (plural noun)

(1) the chief female singer in an opera or opera company.
synonyms: leading soprano · leading lady · diva · star · opera star · principal singer

(2) a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance.
synonyms: ego · self-important person · his nibs · temperamental person · princess · diva · pooh-bah · drama queen
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:33 am to
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You guys go from "OMG, this guy is amazing and we love everything about him!"

To "LSU, can keep him! Oh look he was a successful coaches roommate in college and now I hate him!"

You guys are insufferable


Its like I was reading the rant over there.
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:55 am to
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A&M poached an elite DC


Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:02 am to
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Stopping A&M from crippling our program is not a victory for Alleva. The fact that we were vulnerable like that in the first place is evidence of his mismanagement.


How was he supposed to defend against it? Hire guys to physically destroy all lines of communication coming out of College Station? Alleva can't stop another school from making overtures to his coaches. Was he supposed to see into the future and convince Aranda to sign a new contract stating that he would never sign with A&M? Why do you keep acting like Alleva screwed up when A&M came calling? The only thing ANY AD could do in that situation is play defense and try to keep the coach, which he did. What the frick do you mean "flat-footed"? What the frick are you talking about?
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:18 am to
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How was he supposed to defend against it? Hire guys to physically destroy all lines of communication coming out of College Station? Alleva can't stop another school from making overtures to his coaches. Was he supposed to see into the future and convince Aranda to sign a new contract stating that he would never sign with A&M? Why do you keep acting like Alleva screwed up when A&M came calling? The only thing ANY AD could do in that situation is play defense and try to keep the coach, which he did. What the frick do you mean "flat-footed"? What the frick are you talking about?


I've already explained everything ad nauseum. I even wrote a separate hypothetical analyzing how A&M's strategy (at least its process) is something LSU should imitate.

LSU did the right thing and paid to keep Aranda. Congratulations to Alleva and others for making the right decision as they truly had a "staring over the abyss" moment. The point is, they allowed themselves to get into this vulnerable position by hiring a figurehead HC to begin with. They committed to championships arguing that despite having a HC that brings nothing strategically, and has demonstrated nothing over his long tenure that he is a championship-caliber HC, LSU would contend for championships by hiring the best coordinators money can buy. This is an implausible strategy if your goal is to win championships (which is LSU's stated goal).

At a time when LSU is firing its very good, possibly elite OC because the HC and he can't play nicely together, A&M almost poached our irreplaceable DC. We literally had to pay the equivalent of the salary of a top-shelf OC to keep him. Great job keeping him, but that was a huge near-miss.

Now, we still need to secure an elite OC. Same dynamics unfolding as the HC search. There is no confident targeting of elite OC and controlling the dynamics of the negotiations, pulling the trigger and obtaining a top-10 coordinator (which is what A&M did). We have a fumbling, overly-political process that is likely going to result in the promotion of another position coach.

Alleva mismanaged this whole process. He is not paid to simply be a good reactive manager that sometimes might prevent a crippling loss, sometime maybe not. He's paid to have a winning strategy and implement it proactively.
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 11:20 am
Posted by Marfa
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 11:24 am to
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