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re: Terrace Marshall vs. Ja'Marr Chase - Draft
Posted on 10/13/20 at 3:03 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 10/13/20 at 3:03 pm to SammyTiger
“Randy Moss went in the late 1st. One of the best WRs all time wasn’t a top 15 pick. Wonder why.”
Because he had disciplinary and legal issues since high school. He was kicked out of FSU and lost his scholarship at Notre Dame. You don’t know shite about football.
“You’re trashing Chase this entire thread“
I’ve never once said a single bad thing about Chase. You’ve done nothing but lie and when your own standards are applied to you it shows a hypocrisy not often seen on the Rant.
Because he had disciplinary and legal issues since high school. He was kicked out of FSU and lost his scholarship at Notre Dame. You don’t know shite about football.
“You’re trashing Chase this entire thread“
I’ve never once said a single bad thing about Chase. You’ve done nothing but lie and when your own standards are applied to you it shows a hypocrisy not often seen on the Rant.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 4:16 pm
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Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:06 pm to SammyTiger
You constantly editing your posts is annoying af. Can’t form a complete thought all at once?
Me. That’s why this is a message board dipshit.
If you don’t know what the frick you are talking about I will gladly call you out. This “argument by authority” play by you shows how poor of a debater you are, and how weak your sauce is. But I already knew that.
quote:
What kind of prick calls out someone for being an amateur without being a pro?
Me. That’s why this is a message board dipshit.
If you don’t know what the frick you are talking about I will gladly call you out. This “argument by authority” play by you shows how poor of a debater you are, and how weak your sauce is. But I already knew that.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:10 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
else having an opinion must clearly be an NFL Scout.
The guy citing HS times & rankings is far from it, trust me
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:14 pm to LSURN98
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If you don’t know what the frick you are talking about I will gladly call you out.
You don’t know what the frick you’re talking about though.
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This “argument by authority” play by you shows how poor of a debater you are, and how weak your sauce is. But I already knew that.
You’ve been throwing out the NFL Scout schtick for 10 pages. Like I said, you’re getting on a high horse about my amateur opinion like you’re a pro.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:16 pm to Lester Earl
It’s a simple and proven way of looking at early evaluations and you’ve done it hundreds of times yourself but now you’re trying to give it an alternate meaning because it doesn’t jive with you’re ignorant argument. Typical hypocrisy from you.
-91.6% of 5* players make it to the NFL
-53% are drafted
-4* players are drafted at a 20% clip
-3* players 6%
-2* and below 3%
-91.6% of 5* players make it to the NFL
-53% are drafted
-4* players are drafted at a 20% clip
-3* players 6%
-2* and below 3%
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:26 pm to Madking
There is way too much good draft information available to look at for one to concern themselves with high school testing & rankings that are not even accurate.
So no, I have never & will never use high school shite for nfl draft evaluations
So no, I have never & will never use high school shite for nfl draft evaluations
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
A- that wasn’t the point he made
B- the draft information is in total disagreement with you
C- you rave about 5* recruits every cycle and are now pretending it doesn’t mean anything
B- the draft information is in total disagreement with you
C- you rave about 5* recruits every cycle and are now pretending it doesn’t mean anything
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:30 pm to Madking
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It’s a simple and proven way of looking at early evaluations and you’ve done it hundreds of times yourself but now you’re trying to give it an alternate meaning because it doesn’t jive with you’re ignorant argument. Typical hypocrisy from you.
But it’s not a substitute for actual college performance.
Anyone pretending being a 5 star gives Marshall some kind of advantage is a joke.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:34 pm to Madking
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you rave about 5* recruits every cycle and are now pretending it doesn’t mean anything
After 3 years in college, in a college weight program, developing your game against other grown men, putting film on tape, running through a verified combine, it absolutely doesn’t frickin matter
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:39 pm to SammyTiger
No you’re right but what the guy is saying is that those initial grades are based mostly on pure athletic standards. HS stats are unreliable so they grade the players on physical prospects. The NFL does this too, of course college performance, especially in this case, are more reliable but they still go with the physical specimen almost always. just look at the top 10 WRs drafted over the last decade, 5 are big physical types closer to Marshall and only 3 are 6-1 and under with one being a total bust and overreach (Tavon Austin).
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:44 pm to Lester Earl
Of course you’re correct, Jefferson is a great example going from 4.78-4.8 range to 4.43. Chase was a 4.66 guy coming in but was rated even higher based on other skills he had. Looking at his progression he seems to have improved the way JJ did and looks much faster now. But he still has to show it when tested and even at 4.5 or 4.4 you don’t see a lot of guys his size go top 10. Corey Davis didn’t even run if I’m remembering correctly yet he still went 5th. Marshall compares more to that model. It’s not to say he’ll be better or is better it’s just the way teams draft WRs. Ruggs ran 4.27 and didn’t crack the top 10.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:13 pm to Madking
I don’t think Chase is a solidified top 10 pick or even as the 1st WR yet.
He has to back it up too but he just has more leeway because of his skill set versatility
And the nfl isn’t infatuated with WR height like they were 15 years ago. Not sure why you keep bringing it up
He has to back it up too but he just has more leeway because of his skill set versatility
And the nfl isn’t infatuated with WR height like they were 15 years ago. Not sure why you keep bringing it up
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:37 pm to Lester Earl
I bring it up because over the last decade that’s how they’ve drafted top 10 WRs and upper round guys. That’s not 15 years ago that’s from 2010 to 2020.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:52 pm to Madking
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-91.6% of 5* players make it to the NFL -53% are drafted -4* players are drafted at a 20% clip -3* players 6% -2* and below 3%
Shhhhhhhh. Facts don’t matter. Around here our NFL talent evaluators Lester n Sammy go off what they feel. Being highly ranked out of high school, well that means nothing. Ya see getting a full ride scholarship is unimportant.
Those guys that work for Scout, 247, ESPN, etc, they can’t hold ol’ Lester and Sammy’s dick when it comes to talent evaluation.
In fact, nothing matters until you line up and beat the best 5* DB at Bama, and Clemson , etc. oh wait, those guys aren’t the best because they were highly rated coming out of high school. Scratch that. Them guys that evaluated them and the guys who recruited them don’t know shite.
Don’t believe me? Just ask ol Les and Sam. The NFL is full of 2 star guys.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 10/13/20 at 6:59 pm to Madking
These are the first Rd WRs the last 5 years. Surely you can see the trend
2020
Ruggs 5’11”
Jeudy 6’1”
Lamb 6’1”
Reagor 5’10
Jefferson 6’1”
Aiyuk 5’11”
2019
Marquise Brown 5’9”
2018
DJ Moore 6’0”
Calvin Ridley 6’0”
2017
Corey Davis 6’2
Mike Williams 6’3”
2016
Cory Coleman 5’10”
Will fuller 6’0”
Josh docston 6’2”
Laquon Treadwell 6’2”
2020
Ruggs 5’11”
Jeudy 6’1”
Lamb 6’1”
Reagor 5’10
Jefferson 6’1”
Aiyuk 5’11”
2019
Marquise Brown 5’9”
2018
DJ Moore 6’0”
Calvin Ridley 6’0”
2017
Corey Davis 6’2
Mike Williams 6’3”
2016
Cory Coleman 5’10”
Will fuller 6’0”
Josh docston 6’2”
Laquon Treadwell 6’2”
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:04 pm to Lester Earl
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concern themselves with high school testing & rankings that are not even accurate. So no, I have never & will never use high school shite for nfl draft evaluations
Really? Wonder why the best football coaches on the planet do it then? They must not know shite compared to you and Sammy.
What a completely fricking idiotic statement. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we are dealing with. Low IQ cucks.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:05 pm to LSURN98
The problem is they know better and they’ve eluded to agreeing with the same standards we’ve applied. But they attacked us by inverting and twisting our statements. Neither of us said anything negative about Chase but they’ve attempted to frame it that way by using false interpretations even after they were corrected.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:06 pm to Madking
quote:
91.6% of 5* players make it to the NFL
-53% are drafted
-4* players are drafted at a 20% clip
-3* players 6%
-2* and below 3%
Everyone knows chase & Marshall are both getting drafted
Please explain to me the point you think you are making or what this has to do with boosting ones draft stock
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:06 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
These are the first Rd WRs the last 5 years. Surely you can see the trend
Damn your right I do see the trend.
That they were almost all 4 and 5 stars coming out of high school? That all unimportant indicator?
Just stop. You look really dumb
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