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re: Terrace Marshall Jr. on the O.C. change

Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:09 pm to
Guys, it is what it is. Let it unfold and after we go 6-6 next season, then we can melt hard and burn liquor stores down and loot Best Buy out of protest.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:09 pm to
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I just think he is a person and we all make mistakes. He is the boss of the football team though, plain and simple.

It's telling that these are the strongest arguments in favor of O's moves

"We all make mistakes!"
And
"He's the boss - deal with it!"
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Member since May 2011
14845 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:13 pm to
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Never thought I'd see the day LSU fans bitching about hiring an OC that's broke records.





The highest highs become meaningless if the lows are too low. LSU needs consistency, not to set records against weak competition.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:18 pm to
The "broke records" meme is so disingenuous too. Since when are individual accomplishments like Guice breaking the longest run from scrimmage credited to the coordinator? I'll throw Ensminger a bone for our stacking up yards against a terrible Mizzou D but let's not act like Fournette and Guice destroying Ole Miss/A&M is some accomplishment for Ensminger.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:19 pm to
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And set offensive records. Too. bad the defense was not up to par.
every one of these guys on the 2013 roster started in the NFL as rookies, most from Day 1

QB - Zach Mettenberger
WR - Jarvis Landry
WR - Odell Beckham Jr
RB - Jeremy Hill
RB - Alfred Blue
LT - La'el Collins
C - Ethan Pocic
RG - Trai Turner

DE - Danielle Hunter
LB - Kwon Alexander
LB - Deion Jones
LB - Duke Riley
LB - Kendell Beckwith
CB - Tre'Davious White
CB - Jalen Collins
CB - Jalen Mills
CB - Rashard Robinson

this is almost a starting lineup.

we finished 3rd in the division of our conference.
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:20 pm to
That’s where I disagree with you, he said he was gonna hire the best OC in the country and he did. Plain and simple. So to say he hasn’t done what he says is false. Then they didn’t get along so because EdO is the boss Canada gotta go. Then he hired Ensminger. So based off of what he said before he feels that E will be one of the top OCs or at least what LSU needs. Now here is where you come into play. You can either believe him or not. It’s your opinion. It’s Ed’s opinion on who he feels is right and I’m gonna side on the side of the professional not someone who is a fan and post on TD. Sorry, no offense meant at all but they are the professionals and we are fans.
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:23 pm to
Unfortunately it’s the truth.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Sorry, no offense meant at all but they are the professionals and we are fans.

So I guess we shouldn't bother even having a message board to discuss LSU sports amirite?
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:26 pm to
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So I guess we shouldn't bother even having a message board to discuss LSU sports amirite?


What good has it done for your or LSU sports? Do you think TD is essential to LSU sports? Let’s be real.
Posted by JonGruden
Spider 2 Y Banana Shake?
Member since Jan 2018
53 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:27 pm to
Even if you believe in coach E, you can’t actually think he’s the best in the country, and I’m not trying to convince you to take my side, I’ve been trying to tell you the reason people are disagreeing with you that’s all
Posted by beauchristopher
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Member since Jan 2008
65858 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:29 pm to
Wow
Posted by jvilardo
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:32 pm to
Hokus Pokus
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:40 pm to
I’m just trying to tell you that y’all really have no idea what you are talking about. We all understand football. But when it comes to the everyday ins and outs of football and LSU football ingeneral we really don’t know anything. So therefore I side on the side of the coaches. The professionals. Dave Aranda, Ed Orgeron, Tommie Robinson etc. these guys have been around football and great coaches. If they weren’t on board with it they would not be here. I’m just trying to say that everyone need to chill out and have a wait and see approach. Please stop saying....we Ed said he was gonna do this and he said he was gonna do that.

On another note, what did the rest of the country think when he was hired?

Cheney to UGA

Cliffs.......
Chaney, who will turn 54 in January, has had mixed success as an offensive coordinator, but he offers experience and a varied background in offensive systems. He has run pass-heavy offenses, but also the power-running attack at Arkansas.

He was the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Pittsburgh this year, where the Panthers ranked 76th in the nation in total offense, and ninth in the ACC at 381 yards per game.

Prior to that Chaney was the offensive coordinator and quarterback coach at Arkansas from 2013-14, and at Tennessee from 2009-12. Under Chaney, the Razorbacks ranked 45th in total offense in 2014, but 106th the prior year.

Chaney was with the St. Louis Rams from 2006-08 as offensive line coach and then tight ends coach. And prior to that he was at Purdue from 1997-2005.

Now there were other things in there that showed well for Chaney about developing QBs and some stuff Narduzzi said about him. Point is, it worked out well for UGA didn’t it. They hired a coach who has had 106th ranked offense in the SEC and almost won a championship. He even coached TE and OL before. So, there is no direct path to the obvious guy. Most of the time these coaches are learning things here and there and hope to put it all together one day somewhere. So please everyone. Chill out!


This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 4:43 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:44 pm to
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So based off of what he said before he feels that E will be one of the top OCs or at least what LSU needs. Now here is where you come into play. You can either believe him or not. It’s your opinion. It’s Ed’s opinion on who he feels is right and I’m gonna side on the side of the professional not someone who is a fan and post on TD


Why in your mind is he deserving of this level of trust?

What you're employing is an often used genetic fallacy known as an appeal to authority or accomplishment. You posit that because we're not coaches, we shouldn't criticize, opine, or whatever about the decisions that professionals make, because we're lacking qualifications to do so.

Professionals are perfectly capable of making shitty decisions. Meddlin Ed has proven that multiple times in the past. Usually you earn trust by proving you can make good decisions first but I guess that doesn't apply to him.
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:46 pm to
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Why in your mind is he deserving of this level of trust? Professionals are perfectly capable of making shitty decisions. Meddlin Ed has proven that multiple times in the past. Usually you earn trust by proving you can make good decisions first but I guess that doesn't apply to him.


Again, I’ll side on the side of all the coaches that are choosing to be around.
Posted by gemlsu
Member since Sep 2003
2350 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:51 pm to
Coach E did more than enough to win that game against Florida. Loose was truly on the players.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:52 pm to
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Again, I’ll side on the side of all the coaches that are choosing to be around.


You haven't said why though. It's not as if Orgeron has any strong track record of sound decision making to point to.

You're just stifling the conversation because you cannot argue your premise on its own merits.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
24268 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:53 pm to
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So more evidence there was NO search? That actually makes me slightly mad


You already knew there was no search. We all know there was no search.
Posted by theSaltwaterGuide
Calcasieu parish
Member since Jan 2018
594 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:56 pm to
It’s pretty obvious. If successful coaches are siding with this guy then by all means that’s a sign. If the rant thinks so highly of Dave Aranda and Dave Aranda thinks highly of Ed O then..... Pete Carrol speaks highly of Ed O. Lane Kiffin speaks highly of Ed O. Hell les Miles spoke highly of Ed O. What I’m saying is most speak highly of him. Except a few that post on here.
Posted by JonGruden
Spider 2 Y Banana Shake?
Member since Jan 2018
53 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 4:58 pm to
I don’t think you’re even reading what I’m saying, I’m not trying to tell you that you’re wrong, my point is that people are disagreeing with you because of what coach o has done, even if he is the professional

Also, you saying I don’t know what I’m talking about, I’m pretty sure I know that E is not the best OC in the country because if he was he wouldn’t have been a TE coach at Lsu
This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 5:06 pm
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