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re: T or F - Jayden gives LSU better chance to win first few games until OL gels?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:34 am to nvasil1
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:34 am to nvasil1
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Are the constant fears about Daniels' accuracy all based on the spring game? The guy completed 65% of his passes last year after ASU had something like 6 WRs transfer out.
So I think Daniels should start (and is going to be really good), but I think when people talk about concerns with his accuracy throwing the football (and I'm talking about people who say it in good faith, not people who are making up nonsense reasons to be against Daniels), it's meant in the most literal sense of "ability to consistently throw the ball directly where he intends to", not something that can necessarily be captured in completion percentage.
If you look at his interceptions last year, several of them were not instances of trying to thread the ball into a tight location beyond his ability as a QB; instead, they came from the ball being not particularly close to the place where he should have been aiming. As in, the defensive back who made the interception was not doing a particularly good job of playing defense on the play, the ball was just thrown to a spot that was much closer to him than to the intended receiver. And these were on throws that JD is certainly physically capable of making.
It didn't happen that often, and since it seems to not be a physical limitation hopefully it's something correctable, but it is not a completely made-up concern.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:36 am to Yaboylsu63
The first couple of games shouldn't be an issue for the OL regardless of who the QB is.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:55 am to nvasil1
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Are the constant fears about Daniels' accuracy all based on the spring game?
In short, yes. That is the first time the overwhelming majority of LSU fans watched him play. So that is their only impression.
Was he great, overall, last year at ASU? No. But if you view completion % is the best indicator of "accuracy"...then Daniels was in the top 1/4th of all QBs. He ranked 27th nationally in that category and No.1 in the Pac-12 (though it would have put him #7 in the SEC).
To put that ranking in a little bit of perspective, Daniels completion % was appx. two points lower than Kenny Pickett's and one point lower than Bryce Young's (though each attempted many more passes than Daniels). Daniels' completion % was better than Caleb Williams and Stetson Bennett. It was FIVE points higher than Max Johnson's. It was 7 points higher than Joe Burrow in 2018.
I think it is realistic to hope Daniels could have a Hendon Hooker (Tennessee) type of season in terms of production. Hooker threw for 2945 yards, 31 TDs, 3 INTs on 301 attempts last year. He also ran for 616 and another 5 TDs. Daniels had 710 yards rushing and 6 TDs.
The fact that Daniels had 10 INTs and only 10 TDs on nearly the same amount of attempts as Hooker is very concerning. But it is also relevant to acknowledge Hooker, in 3 seasons at VT, never really had numbers approaching what he did last year at Tennessee. That's to say coaching and system can make a HUGE difference. Thus, it is probably a bit unfair to presume Daniels is going to be bad AT LSU solely based upon what he did at ASU. Joe Burrow was a very average QB in 2018 with Steve Ensminger orchestrating the offense. In 2019, with Joe Brady directing the offensive approach that same player turned in one of the greatest seasons by a QB in CFB history.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:29 am to Alt26
This thread makes me want to punch myself in the face.
I should have stopped reading with the OP said "I'll admit I'm biased"
I should have stopped reading with the OP said "I'll admit I'm biased"
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:38 am to Srobi14
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unless you just don’t like the look of one of them.
Yall really cant let this shite go can you. nobody gives a damn what they look like. We just want to win.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:54 am to Alt26
Great post. It's crazy there was talk of him as Pac 12 player of the year six games into year vs Stanford. He gets the ball out quickly, he is pretty accurate short and deep. He does tend to over throw the intermediate routes some of the time. This game wasn't his best or worst game last year, but he certainly shows he is better than anyone we had but Burrow the past 15 years. Jayden vs Stanford 2021
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:01 pm to Geauxldrush
Why does everyone assume next year is Nuss’ year when Daniels is only a Junior? If Daniels wins the job and does not bolt for the NFL, one would assume he would be out starter next year too.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:17 pm to Yaboylsu63
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I’ll admit, I’m biased and really want Nuss to start. I just think the kid has the pedigree and the guts to play the position. He hasn’t proved it on the field though.
Haven't the media been saying that he is much improved?
I know Moscona said that at the scrimmage, Nuss still had that gunslinger mentality. Said the OL was getting dominated and Nuss just threw it to the Endzone to not take a sack. Almost picked.
That may be the difference. JD may could outrun the defender or be mature enough to live for another down.
After listening to Tbob and Matt talk aobut OL, I'm a little more nervous about them. FSU is apparently in a similar situation tho.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:18 pm to Grimetime
Because he would have gone between the 3rd and 6th round in this past draft. He decided to bet on himself and go against SEC competition with elite WR around him to try and get back in the first two rounds. Going into last season he was mocked in a lot first rounds and considered a top five qb for the draft. He would have to flop to stay another year.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:24 pm to Yaboylsu63
True and his speed will be crucial against FSU. There will be broken plays and growing pains. JDs scrambling can mask some of that.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:29 pm to Yaboylsu63
False
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:34 pm to smoke225
This is nothing new. It happens every season that we don’t have a clear-cut starter at QB. Just because I may favor X it doesn’t follow I’m not gonna support Y if he starts.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:37 pm to TheTruthPolice
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Great post. It's crazy there was talk of him as Pac 12 player of the year six games into year vs Stanford. He gets the ball out quickly, he is pretty accurate short and deep. He does tend to over throw the intermediate routes some of the time. This game wasn't his best or worst game last year, but he certainly shows he is better than anyone we had but Burrow the past 15 years. Jayden vs Stanford 2021
Watched those clips and then the USC 2021 clips that came up after.
Two observations:
1. He makes some pretty bad throws on intermediate stuff sometimes.
2. I will be completely shocked if at the end of this season Jayden Daniels is not #2 by a substantial margin on the LSU single season "touchdowns responsible for" list. I don't think anyone will ever catch Burrow, but he is absolutely going to crush everyone else.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:49 pm to studentsect
That was by far his worst game he has ever played. That would be like judging Burrow by 2018 Bama. Now do 2019 Oregon when he outplayed Justin Herbert by a mile.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:52 pm to Yaboylsu63
In reading comments from practice viewers yesterday, Jayden played until they entered the red zone, then Nuss played. Maybe Nuss will be the red zone QB.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 12:55 pm to Yaboylsu63
If you need a running QB to start because your oline sucks that bad its already over.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:13 pm to TheTruthPolice
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That was by far his worst game he has ever played. That would be like judging Burrow by 2018 Bama. Now do 2019 Oregon when he outplayed Justin Herbert by a mile.
I think you misread what I was trying to say...I know it was a terrible game for him, but even if he shows little to no improvement from his mediocre-to-bad performances from last year I still think he would be able to put up the 2nd most production from a quarterback in LSU history.
He is going to absolutely kill it at LSU this season.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:39 pm to mmcgrath
JD will hurt with his ego all he wants to do is run. This was why Arizona Sate players didn’t like him. He’s a ball hog and will cause problems with our Wr’s.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 1:45 pm to jriggs
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JD will hurt with his ego all he wants to do is run. This was why Arizona Sate players didn’t like him. He’s a ball hog and will cause problems with our Wr’s.
That is just blatantly false nonsense.
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