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re: T/F: dissatisfaction with Linehan hire is rooted in lack of faith in Ensminger

Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:15 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:15 am to
During the 2018 season Ensminger was great with the pre-scripted plays. But he to seemed struggle as the game progressed and defenses made adjustments.

But the offense that Brady brought in and added to Ensmingers's playbook in 2019 is an offense that requires adjustment based on what the defense is showing. There is no reason that with the wealth of experience that Linehan has that he cannot recognize defenses on the fly and select the right play call from Ensminger's playbook at the right time.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 10:18 am
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18133 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:39 am to
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And let's just circle back to this nonsense [that 2018 offense was pedestrian] for a second
you're not honestly arguing our 2018 was good, are you?

69th in total yards per game
Tied for 78th in yards/play
I can't find the red zone stats, but they were downright bad.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:53 am to
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you're not honestly arguing our 2018 was good, are you?


For a first year starter at QB, yeah, that was pretty good. We play in the toughest division in the toughest conference of football against the very best defenses college football has to offer.

Team scored 30 or more in 7 games (8 if you count aTm, which I don't), including 3 Top 10 teams (Miami, UGA, UCF).

There were slow spots, but overall the offense did well, excepting the Bama game.

Again, a 1000 yard rusher, ~2900 yard passer, 46 offensive TDs - that's better than pedestrian, especially for any LSU team prior to 2019.
Posted by Derivatives
Member since May 2019
138 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:57 am to
You hit the nail on the head.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:00 am to
the dissatisfaction is rooted in all of the damn cowboy fans.

and then there's the group that only wants young coaches with an "it" factor; that's the factor based on what shoes they wear and how much swag they have.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66363 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:02 am to
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Team scored 30 or more in 7 games (8 if you count aTm, which I don't), including 3 Top 10 teams (Miami, UGA, UCF).


We were scoring 24.3 points a game going into the Rice game.

6 of those points were on field goals.
We had scored 28 TDs in our first 11 games.

And it’s not like you can point to a steady progression.

We scored on Ole Miss in the 5th game of the year. That was our most points in regulation all year

We fjj in bushes 59th in TDs scored, we finished in the 100s in Red Zone %

It was a bad offense.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 11:05 am
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4025 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:02 am to
Absolutely false for me, E should have picked up a lot from Brady's concepts and hopefully Joseph picked a lot up in the teachings Brady gave to the receivers.
My skepticism is in maybe the unknown of whether Linehan tries to come in and reinvent the wheel even though O says the offense is staying the same.
If Linehan is strictly in the capacity O stated this morning on OTB, then it may work out.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66363 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:06 am to
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Explodes how? LSU isn't making some dramatic shift in offensive philosophy.


Brennan can’t be Burrow. and the NFL OC and 1990s Coordinator we have running the show can’t streamline the offense enough for him to run it?

brother coach is as good at scouting teams weaknesses and assessing defenses mid game and we can’t adapt week to week like we did last year.

That’s a very easy way this could go wrong.

Not saying either will happen, but people who act like all we need is a playbook are a bit off.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 11:08 am
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11963 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:16 am to
False! Snowflake! Miles Derangement Syndrome!

Orgeron, Brennan, Linehan, Ensminger and a few games into 2000, should result in moderation of the symptoms.
Unfortunately many will be mentally scarred for life and seem to present symptoms throughout their life. Each disappointment causes a flare up and is quickly spread to other Snowflakes.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29985 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:32 am to
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After 2019, lack of faith in O (the head coach who built the machine) and E (the offensive playcaller) is BASELESS.


I don’t think that’s true to the extent of having a wait and see attitude with some concern. If you have a complete lack of faith, that is BASELESS after 2019.

o has earned the right to fail or succeed based on his assessment of coaches. Be no one has earned the right not to be second guess or criticized.

I, for one, will take a wait and see approach. Linehan’ s passing game history as PGC, OC and HC has been pretty up and down in the NFL. What that translates into in the SEC will only be revealed through actual game play. I am hopeful.

Posted by ffhouston
The Woodlands
Member since Sep 2007
3782 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:33 am to
My guess is it's rooted in the fact that he's not some new, young, fresh face (as Brady was), and therefore has a track record of achievements (and failures) that people can use to justify their approval or disapproval of the hire.

Similar to an election where you have an upstart with no or little prior elective office experience vs someone who does.
Posted by Ooh Wee Ooh
Member since Nov 2008
1453 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:37 am to
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And let's just circle back to this nonsense for a second:

2018 - Joe passed for 2894 yards (good enough for 4th all time single season, at that time). 16 passing TDs good enough for Top 10 single season at the time.

We had a 1000 yard rusher (Brossette, good enough for Top 10 or 11 at the time) and his backup (CEH) rushed for over 650 yards on 156 carries.

We had more of a 4-headed monster in 2018 at WR, with Dillon, Sullivan and Chase all over 300 yards (and Jefferson leading with 875). Project those yards into 3 and Jefferson probably has a Top 10 or Top 12 single season performance.

46 offensive touchdowns.
And 0 points against Bama. At home.
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37133 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:50 am to
Agree to a point, but I think people are seeing the person (age) and resume and comparing him to Cam Cameron. But we all know it was Les’ offense.

Not to mention, this board’s catastrophe syndrome plays a huge part.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:58 am to
To some degree all coaches are only as good as their players .
E had Burrow Ver 1 for 2018
and Burrow Ver 2 for 2019

not to mention the differential in catches by WRs and Clyde.
in 2019

-----------------------
What has Jimbo Fisher done since Jameis Winston ?
one super athlete can make a coach a hero.

We will have a very good team, but SUPERMAN has left the field.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:03 pm to
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And 0 points against Bama. At home.


2003 managed only 7 points vs Florida. At home.

Hell, 2013 managed only 17 points vs Florida. At home.

Doesn't make them bad offenses - good, even great, offenses can have a bad day.

2018 wasn't this awful (or pedestrian) offense some suggest. It had efficiency problems. It had consistency problems. It had red zone problems. But, it produced points and wins.

I mean, I think the defense in 2018 was a better unit than the offense, but they gave up scads of points to Florida and Bama. And don't get me started about aTm. Doesn't make it "not" a great defense.

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89483 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:04 pm to
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and Burrow Ver 2 for 2019


#SuperJoe emerged in the Bowl Game vs UCF.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:05 pm to
The Brady hire was inspired in the respect that he had no history, so he captured the imagination. And then he exceeded everyone's wildest dreams.

There is none of that with the hire of Linehan. He has an extensive history, some of it good, some of it not so good. That's all. It's not a bad hire, it's just lacking in imagination. We tend to attach more to what we can imagine over what we already know.
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18133 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:11 pm to
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For a first year starter at QB
excuse no. 1
quote:

We play in the toughest division in the toughest conference of football against the very best defenses college football has to offer.
excuse no. 2
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Team scored 30 or more in 7 games (8 if you count aTm, which I don't), including 3 Top 10 teams (Miami, UGA, UCF)
ah yes, the "top 10" argument. UCF was not a top 10 team, and Miami lost 6 games.

Time to let it go - our 2018 offense wasn't good.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
14158 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:43 pm to
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I'll admit I'm a little guilty of this, because no matter how much we are told that E was calling most of the plays and he has this offense down, we're still not buying it 100% and were fully expecting this PGC hire to be the OC in waiting.


I will admit that this is my main concern with the Linehan hire. If it's Oregeron's intention that Linehan will be Ensminger's successor, and Coach O really wants to expand upon the offense we ran this past season, then it would seem that Linehan is not the guy you'd want as your next OC.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66363 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:02 pm to
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2003 managed only 7 points vs Florida. At home.

Hell, 2013 managed only 17 points vs Florida. At home.


7 and 17 are a lot more than 0

Those offenses were also pretty good in other games too.

The 2018 offense got held under 25 points in regulation 7 times. That’s with an elite FG kicker. We averaged 6.7 points a game in FGs.



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