re: T-Bob is talking about 1/9/12 conspiracies on WWL right now

Only things missing are the girlfriend/fiance leaving him and the 21 days(or so) of missed classes.

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Getting Lee in the game would have changed nothing.

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possibly. but leaving jefferson in definitely didn't change anything. going with the same exact game plan from November and continuing with that game plan after halftime definitely didn't change anything either.

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It is AWESOME the conclusions YOU can reach when YOU have hindsight. When Miles was making decisions about which QB to play, he had not already watched the game.

At the end of the first half of the BCSCG, Miles can stick with a QB who is completing over 85% of his passes, or he can substitute Lee into the game.

Lee might have mixed things up. Lee might have sparked the team. However, the odds were not in Lee's favor. He was exactly the kind of QB that Alabama's defense feasted on: an immobile pocket passer. His history against Alabama confirms that statement, and his history against Alabama can be fairly described as abysmal.

People say that Lee could not have done worse. That's bullshite. Lee's numbers against Alabama were WORSE than Jefferson's numbers in the BCSCG. That's not conjecture. That's fact. Lee's historic performance against Alabama was far WORSE than Jefferson's performance in the BCSCG.

On the other hand, Jefferson as QB slowed the Bama rush down. Moreover, Jefferson's ability to lead a second half comeback in 2011 was rock solid before the BCSCG. Jefferson had led comebacks in the last three HUGE games prior to the BCSCG: the GOTC, the Arkansas game, and the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime of the GOTC that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, in OT, Jefferson executed a perfect short-side option to Ford which put LSU in position for victory.

LSU beat Alabama at their house in the GOTC.


Many fans did not think with four minutes left in the half and LSU trailing 14-7 against Arkansas that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson passed for 208 yards, LSU's second highest passing total of the season, and Jefferson rushed for an additional 53 yards, all against the #3 team in the nation which positioned LSU for victory.

LSU blew the doors off of Arkansas, won the SEC West, and earned an invitation in the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime with LSU trailing 10-7 to Georgia in the SECCG that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson executed options and zone reads to near perfection, and he threw a TD pass to Hilliard as LSU's offense scored FOUR TDs against a Top Five defense in their own backyard.

LSU rushed for over 200 yards, and Jefferson being the QB was an integral part of that, and LSU blew out Georgia and earned the right to play in the BCSCG.


In my opinion, given the three HUGE games before the BCSCG, a reasonable mind could rationally choose to stick with Jefferson for the second half of the BCSCG because it had worked well in the three previous HUGE games.

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gotcha, so the better strategy is to basically lay over and take your arse whooping. it's not like the game was a big deal or anything.

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They did change it up. They tried passing more in the second half. The o-line gave Jefferson NO time to throw.

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again, i'm not saying lee would have magically led lsu to victory. i'm saying les refused to change ANYTHING the entire game while getting his arse kicked throughout. that is the definition of insanity.

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Ohhh, so you're saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results . . . and you wanted Les to play Lee against Alabama.

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he sure didn't have that same mentality the first time around against alabama. he yanked lee's arse very quickly.

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Lee historically sucked against Alabama. In the GOTC, Lee plumbed new depths in his suckage. You wanted Les to keep Lee in the GOTC? Do you know what teh definition of insanity is?

Jefferson beat Alabama in two out of three games before the BCSCG. Jefferson led LSU to wins over Bama in the GOTC, against Arkansas (#3), and in the SECCG. Jefferson was completing his passes. You don't yank him for Lee against Bama.

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Jefferson beat Alabama in two out of three games before the BCSCG

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I know you are the king contrarian around here, but Jefferson doesn't deserve this type of credit. This ain't baseball.

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but that nothing else was done when what was being done was clearly not working on that night.

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Let me ask three questions:

(1) Would you have substituted Lee for Jefferson at halftime of the GOTC?

(3) Would you have substituted Lee for Jefferson with five minutes remaining in the first half of the Arkansas game?

(3) Would you have substituted Lee for Jefferson at halftime of the SECCG?

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He was referencing some article that said he and Shep begged the coaches to start Lee 2 hours before the game. T-Bob said they obviously knew who was gonna start and it makes no sense that they'd tell coaches that 2 hours before a game.

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That's interesting.

In the November game, JL threw up two prayers to Bama of the I'm about to get hit so I'll just throw it kind.

If say another QB should have started that game, then it should have been...

Mett

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Apparently, this will be the NEW bull shite mythos.
At halftime of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 85.71% of his passes.
At the end of the third quarter of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 76.92% of his passes.

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As the ole saying goes "Figures lie and liars figure" not necessarily calling you a liar anyway.

First possession out of the half JJ missed a TD on two consecutive plays and one of the passes was a 19 yd completion. On that play he simply missed DeAngelo Peterson strolling down the middle of the field without a defender within 15 yds of him.

On the play before that he threw the ball over OBJ's head when the safety had overrun the play and was out of position to defend it and never would have caught him if pass on target.

Salviati - you missed my point. Focus on this one game. The team and the fans in the Dome needed a jolt. There is none bigger than to bring in Lee, if for nothing else -- to change the energy in the Dome and to get the players' attention.

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Salviati - you missed my point. Focus on this one game. The team and the fans in the Dome needed a jolt. There is none bigger than to bring in Lee, if for nothing else -- to change the energy in the Dome and to get the players' attention.

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You're wrong about there being no bigger jolt than to bring in Lee. Could have had a turnover. Could have had a huge special teams play. Could have had a big run, big pass, big score.

But I understand your point. Les subs in Lee, and the crowd goes wild.

That's nice and all If you really believe that Lee can get the job done. (Which he hadn't against Alabama. And the problem in the BCSCG was not Jefferson, he was completing passes. The problem was the o-line getting whipped.)

But what if Lee can't get the job done? What if Lee stays true to form against Alabama? If you have this much belief in energy and crowd noise, what affect would the crowd's raucous cheer for Lee's entrance have on Jefferson?

And you never answered my three questions. You have the benefit of hindsight. The BCSCG is over. Nothing worked. However, Miles did not have your knowledge during halftime of the BCSCG. He had a QB who was completing over 85% of his passes. He had an o-line that was getting whipped. Your suggestion is to sub in a less mobile QB who was not as efficient, who was not a prolific passer, who did not enable the team to run as well, and who was the epitome of death against Bama.

I think a very clear case can be made that the smart move after halftime was to stick with the QB who was completing 85% of his passes with no turnovers and who had led HUGE comebacks in THREE gigantic games, rather than turn to the QB who had just turned in a shoe size QB Rating and thrown over 25% of his passes for interceptions against this same team.

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I think that's the biggest problem people have -- not that Lee wasn't put in, per se, but that nothing else was done when what was being done was clearly not working on that night.

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AMEN