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re: State of the program - 1.5 decades of mediocrity
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
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Ole Miss can continue to climb without Kiffin
Why even interact with posters who are clearly just over emotional with nonsense like this.
Take a break until you come back to reality, Ace.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:43 am to Ace Midnight
It did not change with Dinardo. It changed with Hellman. Dinardo just brought us back where we always were before. If you want to talk about significant elevation, that happened with Saban, changed with Brian Kelly, and Lane will bring us back.
Perhaps give a coach more than nine games to get back on top.
Perhaps give a coach more than nine games to get back on top.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:59 am to d2
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It was to deal with the emotional roller coasters, that the LSU fan’s passion causes.
I agree with this to a certain point.
For those of you in denial about the mediocrity part:
LSU is 9th in winning percentage among the P4 since 2011. Just under 70% and that includes 2019.
I mean, FFS, tOSU has only lost 24 games since 1/9/2012.
The playoffs started in 2014 - LSU has gone ONCE. ELEVEN teams have gone at least twice.
Some of you guys (pardoxically some of you must be younger than me) are still living in the BCS era when we were arguably the #1 or #2 team. That was a generation ago. Jacob Hester is 40 and doing color analysis. Will Blackwell is 37.
LSU is, at best a Top 15 program of the playoff era, bolstered only by 2019 (statistically an outlier in every meaning of the term).
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
We are the 8th best program over the last 20 years. 7th-best P4 program. 4th-best SEC program and the 3rd-best that has been in the SEC for all 20 years.
1 Ohio State 223-40 0.848
2 Alabama 233-42 0.847
3 Georgia 213-56 0.792
4 Boise State 206-55 0.789
5 Oklahoma 201-64 0.758
6 Clemson 204-65 0.758
7 Oregon 198-64 0.756
8 LSU 189-71 0.727
Some of you need a dictionary so you can look up words like mediocrity.
1 Ohio State 223-40 0.848
2 Alabama 233-42 0.847
3 Georgia 213-56 0.792
4 Boise State 206-55 0.789
5 Oklahoma 201-64 0.758
6 Clemson 204-65 0.758
7 Oregon 198-64 0.756
8 LSU 189-71 0.727
Some of you need a dictionary so you can look up words like mediocrity.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:05 am to MetArl15
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Cignetti built his program in 1 year. First year playoffs
What do you think this LSU team’s record would be if we played that Indiana schedule?
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:20 am to Ace Midnight
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LSU is, at best a Top 15 program of the playoff era, bolstered only by 2019 (statistically an outlier in every meaning of the term).
You keep harping on 2019 being an outlier. While it is, so are 2020 and 2021.
The thing about history is that it is always the past. And things can change quickly. Give it a minute. An old head should know that.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:30 am to mdomingue
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We are the 8th best program over the last 20 years.
How many teams spend more?
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:34 am to Ace Midnight
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So, you guys are saying that Ole Miss without Kiffin looks no better than LSU with Kiffin?
I’m saying that what Ole Miss inherited from Kiffin is about the same as Kiffin coming in and uprooting everything including adding 60 something odd players and formulating a team. What your statement suggests can’t be properly evaluated until we see Ole Miss without Chambliss and Lacy and crew. All inherited from Kiffin’s time.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:38 am to go ta hell ole miss
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It did not change with Dinardo.
How many legit Top 10 seasons did LSU have prior to Dinardo?
Bernie Moore had 3 ('36, '37 and '46). Tinsley had 1 ('49). Dietz had 3 (over 4 years out of his 7 seasons, total, '58, '59, '61). Mac had 5 (at least in the AP), '62, '64, '65, '69, '70.
There wouldn't be a Top 10 LSU team for almost 20 years after peak Mac. Arns in '86. Then Archer in '87.
And Dinardo didn't finish Top 10, either, but was close enough for my purposes to give him partial credit for the turnaround that Saban gets almost all credit from casual fans.
Sure, starting with Saban and Miles, that was almost an average of a Top 10 finish, certainly from Saban's first or second season through 2011. ETA: How about since then? It's 15 if we're being very generous.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:44 am to bstaceyau19
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This team plays like a portal-built team. Lots of good players. Few great ones. No playmakers. It takes more than a year guys, especially when the last 2 coaches totally negelcted the program.
Lane spent all offseason trying to tell people that 1. This will be our worst roster and team under him 2. It’s because most of the players are year 1 in the system and getting 50 guys because of need meant we had to do things differently.
People just didn’t want to believe it but he has been consistent that, year 1 is about building the base of the program and that he would like 15-20 high school kids and then 15-20ish portal kids and retain the important people. You aren’t winning much if you get 50 transfers and 20 freshmen. That’s 70 people in the system year 1.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:49 am to mdomingue
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You keep harping on 2019 being an outlier. While it is, so are 2020 and 2021.
Taking out 2020 and 2021 (and 2019), LSU is still an 8-4 team since 2011.
If you want to pretend that's not mediocre, just know that you're pretending.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:13 am to Ace Midnight
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How many teams spend more?
Several
Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, Michigan, Oregon, and Texas A&M Aggies.
Georgia is just behind us.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:18 am to Ace Midnight
Taking out those years we’ve averaged 9.4 wins a season, not 8
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:27 am to Ace Midnight
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Taking out 2020 and 2021 (and 2019), LSU is still an 8-4 team since 2011.
9-3
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If you want to pretend that's not mediocre, just know that you're pretending.
Sure buddy. You go ahead and be miserable; I won't be joining you.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 11:33 am to mdomingue
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You go ahead and be miserable; I won't be joining you.
I'm not miserable. I'm just not going to pretend the Lane Kiffin experiment is going well.
1. Pissed off the media,
2. Pissed off the league office,
3. Didn't perform on the field
Yes, it's Year 1. But this isn't the 80s, 90s or 2000s anymore. This is full portal, unlimited transfer, "every year is new". And we're still losing ground against the tide (literally and figuratively).
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:02 pm to Ace Midnight
Hey ACE people like you ,who are incapable of logical thought, give LSU fans a bad name.WYF do you think LK was brought in here,the program was broken and needed an overhaul.Why do idiots like you think it can be done overnight,we ain’t playing Indianas or UCLAs schedule.The most talented teams in this country are in the SEC , you need to put in your TAMPON and have some common sense.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:14 pm to RGT
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WYF do you think LK was brought in here
To go to the playoffs.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:44 pm to Ace Midnight
So this year was playoffs or bust for you?
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:47 pm to Sun God
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So this year was playoffs or bust for you?
$150m (minimum) - I mean, was it crazy to expect we finish in the Top 12?
Basically a blank check isn't, "Rebuild over 4 or 5 years". I mean, is it for you folks?
A blank check and 7-5 or 8-4 is just fine?
Posted on 11/9/26 at 12:54 pm to tigereye58
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Bama Deboer took over the most successful program in history.
Alabama hemorrhaged players to the transfer portal after Saban left so DeBoer had to rebuild. It's not like he's "winning with Saban's players."
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Indiana once again took several year for Cignetti to build it.
Curt Cignetti is only in his third year as the HC of Indiana; he won a National Championship his second year there and was an 11-2 playoff team in his first. In just two season took THE perennial doormat of college football to a National Championship.
This post was edited on 11/9/26 at 12:55 pm
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