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THECEO
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Stars DO matter?
Of course they don't always do on a individual level. There a many exceptions to point to.

But, in a collective sense, across a roster, the "average stars" do count?

Depth, and statistical "pan-out" do matter?

Especially in the SEC West?

So, given those clarifications, is anyone concerned with the large number of 3-stars, and minimal number of 5-stars who are about to grab all but 5 spots on 12/20?

Or, do one, or more, of the following represent your view:

1) think that exceptions are numerous enough in any single class,so 3-stars are good enough.

2) the depth and statistical odds to pan-out is over-played.

3) that the remaining spots will more than make up for the current star average with 4-and-5-star commitments,

4) that the staff, in the collective, are smarter and wiser than the professional services, and have many under-rated 3-stars-who-should-be-4-and-5-stars.

5) The JUCO "gets" in this class will more than make up for it.

Note: Saban seems to match the assessments of the services over a protracted timeframe. Is his coaching/process more relevant, diminishing this fact?

Again, sure, exceptions will occur, but how are you feeling about the current haul?

Is this very large number of 3-star commits, and the comparatively low average stars....of low or high concern?
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LSUgrad08112
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re: Stars DO matter?
Do you understand that if Traore, Lewis, and Moore were incoming freshmen that they’d be rated 5*, 4*, And 5* respectively? Cole Smith is an UAAA, as is Cam Wire I’m pretty sure, and both are pretty clearly underrated. We’ve also got a guy committed as an H-back and he’s literally the prototype at that position and will help us immensely. Rosenthal is also rated 3* right now as a DT because he’s awful at DT but he’s literally a 5* talent on the OL and would be rated at least a high 4* if he were rated as an OT. Aside from the 5 remaining 3*’s, the rest of our recruiting class is going to be filled with 4* and 5* and will probably end up being top 10. And we recently had our worst prospect “decommit” I.E. be told to get down the road because he wasn’t developing so I trust our staff in processing kids who don’t belong.

Y’all need to shut the frick up about 3*’s at this point. These are actual kids who are committing 4 years of their lives to our school and get on this forum and y’all are shitting on them even though you haven’t even taken the time to watch their film or learn anything about them because you’re insecure about their star ratings even though we take many 3*’s every year and did in every Les Miles class. The only difference this year is that our biggest recruits just happened to wait until NSD to commit. Please leave being a rantard to the rant and stay out of recruiting, thanks
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Tiger1988
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Member since May 2016
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re: Stars DO matter?
They matter collectively but in a single season with focus on future depth not as much in the trenches.
With that said why did he let all those big uglies leave or run them off with his bull shite focus on a binder and not the player?
He put himself into this position.


themunch
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re: Stars DO matter?
More recruiting board.


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THECEO
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re: Stars DO matter?
No one said anything about whether they were or were not young kids about to commit. Thats always the case, and has nothing to do with the question.

Also, its just a question. No need to tell folks to shut the frick up.


Hamma1122
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re: Stars DO matter?
No recruit the player


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bstew3006
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re: Stars DO matter?
I support the kids that commit and come to LSU. I fully understand that some kids are projected wrong, get a 3 star rating but play like a 5 and the rest play like... 3 star. But, if you don't see the problem with the majority of 3 stars in this class, that's a YOU problem. I ask you to look at other top teams ( Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, uga, Ohio state, Auburn ), then look at Teams you and the rest of us think are way below LSU ( miss st, West Virginia, vtech, Maryland, tcu, mich St. ) and tell me who's recruiting at the same level and classes resemble each other.

People aren't bashing the kids comitting! I understand the majority of kids in the country are 3stars. The argument isn't against these kids, it's about having the class +70% of 4-5 stars. Teams that do this separate from above avg schools ( top 25 ) to premier programs ( top 10 ) year in and year out. Yes, there's always hidden gems in some 3stars and some 4/5 stars are bust. But teams that are loaded with 4/5 star talent, product on the field speaks for itself.
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boweswi05
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re: Stars DO matter?
Stars do matter.

The teams with the highest stars most of the time win the most.


Factual information.

Look at 4 teams in playoffs. All in top 15 in recruiting.


LSUgrad08112
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re: Stars DO matter?
The answer is that it’s impossible to tell until they get here so stop trashing a bunch of kids over their star ratings. 3 stars who come to LSU get drafted at a MUCH higher rate than the national average and its because we’ve got 3 really good coaches at a time sitting in the stands evaluating these kids while 247 barely looks at their film. If the 247 evaluators were such experts then they’d be employed by major colleges. So yea, I trust our staff and think that we’ll end up pretty impressed with this class but it could also turn out to be a disaster. What exactly do you want anyone to say? That they pulled out their crystal ball and that we’re going to suck/be great because of this class?

I’m just saying that it’s looking like a top 10 class at this point so I’m not sure why you’re sitting there harping on our bottom 5 players or 3 stars period. Why not talk about something relevant and specific instead of passive aggressively shitting on this recruiting class? Could it be because you haven’t done your homework at all and don’t really understand recruiting and you just want to be a negative rantard because some other moron on this website said that this class sucks because 3 stars?


doubleb
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re: Stars DO matter?
Do you understand that at any program on average only a dozen or so out of each class play significant roles for multiple years?

The best teams don't sign the best 25 necessarily, they sign the best 12-15 or so who mesh with their other classes and fit into their systems and take to their coaching.

The services do their best to rate kids, but they don't take in who is already ahead of them on a roster; nor who is signing last year.

For an example look at Ga's QB situation where a freshman played QB last year and again this year. They have another stud coming in. Their ratings are all high, but all three cant play.

This happens throughout a roster as does some who sign and don't pan out. Five stars do get beat out by three stars. It happens.

I'd venture to say that Bama has their share of attrition. They sign 25 who they believe can play knowing some won't becsuse they won't measure up, won't fit or will get beat out. They probably have a handful of can't miss guys and after that competition with others on the roster and future signees will decide how much they play.

And then you have injuries that play a big role too. One guy's injury is another guy's opportunity. Look at Ga. QB again.

You want to sign the best 25, but if you sign the best 12 or so and you get them to mesh with the rest of your roster you can compete with anybody.

We have not done that, our classes haven't meshed leaving holes and depth issues.


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Genestealer55
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re: Stars DO matter?
I think any school that gets at least 10 4/5 stars per year is ahead of the curve...and with above avg coaching has a great chance to compete for a title. LSU will be one of those schools again..as usual...to get at least 10 of those.


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LSUgrad08112
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re: Stars DO matter?
quote:

Look at 4 teams in playoffs. All in top 15 in recruiting

So in one post you tell me that I have a problem because I don’t think that this class is going to be awful because “3 stars” and in the next you’re bragging about top 15 recruiting classes.

News flash, dumbass: this recruiting class is going to finish in the top 10.

I have absolutely no problem with that, especially when 3 of its most impactful players are rated 4*, 3*, and 3*. I’m not saying that stars don’t matter, I’m saying that anyone who’s unhappy with this class is a fricking idiot considering the fact that EVERY SINGLE COACH has his worst recruiting year in his first full season and Orgeron still has us in the top 10.

You’re the one who has the problem if you don’t see that we’re getting a lot of good players in this class and most importantly addressing our biggest needs.


Goldrush25
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re: Stars DO matter?
Does anyone know the reason why these particular kids were in JUCO?


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boweswi05
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Member since Aug 2016
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re: Stars DO matter?
Recruit a team if all two and three stars and I'll throw my four and five stars at you.

You won't win. Sure three stars can be developed but you want high star guys because generally those are the guys that have to be developed less.


roscoe mike
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re: Stars DO matter?
It seems like the recruiting services have become more accurate overall in the last ten years or so with their ranking of high school players.

There’s a reason a player is rated a 5* over a 3*...because the 5* dominated at his position throughout his high school career. I want that guy on my roster.

What I’m really waiting to see from Coach O is if this upcoming class is top ten. If not, it’s not the end of the world...but two successive recruiting classes outside the top ten, well, you can forget about O leading LSU to being a consistent playoff contending program.


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BilltheTiger
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re: Stars DO matter?
As we very likely will be also.


LSUgrad08112
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re: Stars DO matter?
quote:

it's about having the class +70% of 4-5 stars. Teams that do this separate from above avg schools ( top 25 ) to premier programs ( top 10 ) year in and year out

If you remove our 3 JUCO players who are underrated in stars and would be ranked 4 or 5 stars as freshmen, as is the case with every JUCO player, then we’re going to end up with 7 true 3 stars in this class out of 25 players. That’s over 70% 4 and 5 stars.

So are you happy with this recruiting class? Or do you just hate Ed Orgeron and want something to bitch about?


boweswi05
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re: Stars DO matter?
quote:

As we very likely will be also.


I think we finish close to top 10 tbh....

I'm just saying that when recruiting players from high school, stars most certainly matter.


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LSUgrad08112
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re: Stars DO matter?
quote:

Recruit a team if all two and three stars and I'll throw my four and five stars at you

LSU will finish with a top 10 recruiting class. Does this trigger you?


Bottom9
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re: Stars DO matter?
Ask Florida fans if those majority 3 star recruits under McKelwain are impacting their performance on the field the past couple of years.
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