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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:07 am to BayouCowboy
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:07 am to BayouCowboy
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I agree to an extent. We need to see more offensive consistency,
We need to find a system and stay with it. That's how you build a system and plug and play. Hopefully we see it this year
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We need to find a system
Most important thing.
Staying with the wrong system won’t get you far.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You're using the same logic you repudiate daily.
It's good logic, unless you can prove otherwise by offering a better explanation. I'm waiting.
If you say you want to run a certain offense, why not go and get the guy that's proven he knows how to run it, and make him your OC? If someone refuses to do that, then clearly, they value something above getting the best guy for the job.
Are you seriously going to sit here and say that his approach is the optimal approach?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:13 am to Goldrush25
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It's good logic
Then you clearly understand why some people think you want Orgeron to fail. Same "logic"
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:14 am to bencoleman
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So you think that the coach doesn't actually want to give the team the best chance to win and makes decisions accordingly. Just about any explanation is better than that.
I'm just wondering why someone that wants to run an offense wouldn't get the best guy for the job, especially when he said he wanted to get the best guy for the job. Do you have an explanation?
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Then you clearly understand why some people think you want Orgeron to fail. Same "logic"
Now you're deflecting.
Are you going to answer my question or not?
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We need to find a system and stay with it. That's how you build a system and plug and play. Hopefully we see it this year
I think that's what we'll see with Brady.
Another poster mentioned accountability. I asked the question what constituted accountability and how they hoped to apply it. Nobody seems to have any idea besides lip service.
All this time negas have accused people of not holding Ed accountable yet they don't seem to have a clear idea of what it would include.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:19 am to Goldrush25
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Now you're deflecting.
No, I'm connecting the dots for you.
Do you think the coach would rather win or "do it his way?"
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:20 am to bencoleman
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I asked the question what constituted accountability and how they hoped to apply it
The results and applying them equally (as opposed to two sets of standards) to the parties involved constitutes accountability.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you think the coach would rather win or "do it his way?"
Let's see.
He said he wanted to go get the best guy for the job. I think we all agree that getting the best guy for the job gives us the best chance to win.
The then gets Ensminger. I think we're 100% in agreement that he is not the best guy for the job.
If he's not getting the best guy for the job, he's not giving us the best chance to win. Where is the flaw in my logic? And please don't deflect again.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:24 am to Goldrush25
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If he's not getting the best guy for the job, he's not giving us the best chance to win. Where is the flaw in my logic?
You just skirted the question. Read it again.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
You never answered my original question. Let's go in order here.
You just skipped over it because I suspect you have no answer.
You just skipped over it because I suspect you have no answer.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We need to find a system and stay with it. That's how you build a system and plug and play. Hopefully we see it this year
I think we are headed in the right direction and that's to O's credit. He has; however, taken a less than direct path to get there and I would say that's on him and Alleva. Hopefully he and Woodward have the same vision and implement it effectively. I believe they will.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:31 am to Goldrush25
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You just skipped over it because I suspect you have no answer.
In your expert football opinion, do you?
Do I think it's optimal? In my opinion no. And I've said it dozens of times you just tend to ignore.
Do I think it can work? Absolutely, and that matters far more than my opinion
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Do I think it's optimal? In my opinion no. And I've said it dozens of times you just tend to ignore.
Do I think it can work? Absolutely, and that matters far more than my opinion
So why would someone consciously make a decision that is something other than the optimal decision? The most logical explanation is they value something over making the most optimal decision. Why do you have a problem with that hypothesis?
And I 100% admit that it is a hypothesis. The head coach could very well feel that Ensminger is the best OC for the job, in which case, in his heart, he does feel that he is making the best decision.
I never said that it "couldn't" work. I just said he's making a conscious effort to make the less optimal decision, and I'd like to know why. If this is the type of decision he makes with a major staff position, how many other smaller sub-optimal decisions is he making?
To answer your previous question, I think that he thinks that his way is the right way.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:41 am to Goldrush25
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So why would someone consciously make a decision that is something other than the optimal decision?
Probably because it's a situation made by people who know way more than I, see a much larger and bigger picture and don't fall prey to rumors and pop football chat.
In other words, if you and I were as smart about coaching as we pretend here, we would be making a living doing so.
I don't know the objectives, availability or behind the scenes stuff that goes into deciding what's optimal at a particular time
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In other words, if you and I were as smart about coaching as we pretend here, we would be making a living doing so.
We need to be smart at coaching to know that one coach is better than the other? What if his decision had little to do with actual coaching and more to do with interpersonal relationships?
You don't need to be a subject matter expert to point out mistakes that experts make in their fields. Whether or not you or I wouldn't made a better decision in his spot is up for debate, but I don't see how that invalidates an observation of an error.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:48 am to Goldrush25
Did you call Miles out for doing the same? How was he able to win...he certainly doesn't know as much about football as O
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:50 am to Goldrush25
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We need to be smart at coaching to know that one coach is better than the other?
You need to be inside the program to understand why specific choices are made. You're making choices here and don't know jack shite about the big picture.
You have your opinions, I have mine, both are extremely poorly informed.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:55 am to Topwater Trout
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Did you call Miles out for doing the same? How was he able to win...he certainly doesn't know as much about football as O
What? How do you come to that conclusion?
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