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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:30 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:30 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Who hired Matt Canada
Orgeron as far as I know. It was a bad hire
At least he didn't keep him
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:31 pm to bencoleman
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Again we're back to accountability yet you still haven't explained how you plan to hold Ed accountable
He's going to post binder and shrimp boat jokes on TD.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:32 pm to BayouCowboy
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I that an excuse or is it fact? Just curious.
Given that Joe Alleva was never able to force Les Miles to make a change at OC, despite that being the main reason for his downfall...what are the chances he'd have hired Ed Orgeron to replace Miles and then stepped in and hand picked an OC for his new coach?
Has Orgeron claimed Alleva hired the guy for him? I've yet to see him quoted as such. Or has that simply been the talking points released by the football ops building to local media?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:33 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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So...either Ed Orgeron accidentally hired a shithead with a bad offense, or Ed Orgeron is so weak that despite the fact that Joe Alleva had never been able to make Les Miles hire a new OC he forced Matt Canada on Orgeron
Alleva forced stud on Les. And wouldn't let him go out and hire someone.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:38 pm to bencoleman
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Alleva forced stud on Les. And wouldn't let him go out and hire someone.
Do you mean when Kragthorpe was diagnosed with Parkinsons after being hired as OC? That's a permissive interpretation of someone being "forced" on a coach by an AD. Or did you expect Les to fire Stud after we went 13-1 and made the national title game?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:43 pm to bencoleman
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Again we're back to accountability yet you still haven't explained how you plan to hold Ed accountable.
Ed will be held accountable the day he's no longer winning games and is fired. Until then I don't see how you can hold him "accountable"
Well that's ridiculous. You don't wait to hold someone accountable by firing them.
"Well Jones, have a seat. You've been fricking up all year and rather than inform you of what's an acceptable level of performance and what's not I'm firing you."
Ideally we want him to win, so minimize mistakes along the way. If no one's holding him accountable along the way (not fans, but his bosses), then that's a piss poor way to run a football program.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:45 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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So...either Ed Orgeron accidentally hired a shithead with a bad offense, or Ed Orgeron is so weak that despite the fact that Joe Alleva had never been able to make Les Miles hire a new OC he forced Matt Canada on Orgeron?
Correct
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:48 pm to BayouCowboy
The prevailing rumors are that after Eddy O wowed Alleva with "I'm gonna go out and hire Lane Train as my OC", O then of course failed to get Joey Freshwa...I mean Lane Kiffin as OC.
Faced with the task to have to come up with a "Plan B" on the fly, the boosters apparently took over the OC search and looked for the "hottest name". Enter Matt Canada, the guy who was a Broyles Award finalist and made NFL week 1 starter/free agent Nathan Peterman (yes, that Nathan Peterman) look like a damn Pro Bowler.
Of course it wasn't until after his hiring was announced that fans started asking questions like "why is Canada on his 3rd staff in 4 years?", because fans spent the first month of the hire going crazy over O CANADA billboards because this fanbase is like a herd of kittens.
Faced with the task to have to come up with a "Plan B" on the fly, the boosters apparently took over the OC search and looked for the "hottest name". Enter Matt Canada, the guy who was a Broyles Award finalist and made NFL week 1 starter/free agent Nathan Peterman (yes, that Nathan Peterman) look like a damn Pro Bowler.
Of course it wasn't until after his hiring was announced that fans started asking questions like "why is Canada on his 3rd staff in 4 years?", because fans spent the first month of the hire going crazy over O CANADA billboards because this fanbase is like a herd of kittens.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Given that Joe Alleva was never able to force Les Miles to make a change at OC, despite that being the main reason for his downfall...what are the chances he'd have hired Ed Orgeron to replace Miles and then stepped in and hand picked an OC for his new coach? Has Orgeron claimed Alleva hired the guy for him? I've yet to see him quoted as such. Or has that simply been the talking points released by the football ops building to local media?
I honestly don't know and have no "sources". My non-insider view is that there seemed to be a very uneasy relationship from the start. I also think it's pretty obvious to most that Alleva picked O because he felt he could to a degree "control him". I've said all along that I though Alleva was a puppet master. I also doubt that O would willingly agree to have a coordinator that he had "no input" or minimal control over. Canada running to Alleva likely confirms O had no control and likely no say in Canada being there.
With that being said, this arrangement was doomed to fail. Canada felt no loyalty to his HC, no authority to him and likely didn't respect him.
I could be 100% wrong, but based on what I've read, seen and heard this is the most logical assessment. This does not absolve O of responsibility so it's not an excuse. It may; however, explain why things went sideways.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 12:54 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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.how is it possible that Ed Orgeron hired this cancer who was lugging down his terrible offense in the first fricking place?
he has been hired many times before. How does a coach know if a guy will mesh with his staff until they work together?
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Did we then not bother to speak to his former employers, colleagues, etc?
It's pretty common not to trash a guy that worked for you for numerous reasons...same goes for the guy that left.
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hen there's the offense...which any of us could have seen the previous year while he was at Maryland.
Pitt
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How is it Ed Orgeron comes away unscathed in this entire decision for some of you?
I think he made a bad hire. I thought that before his offense played a down at LSU. It is not the offense i want personally. Hell most opposing coaches told their players to ignore all the shifts or like Saban said "window dressing".
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He was hired to replace Miles, largely, to fix the offense since that was what most felt was holding the program back.
Seems like he is taking the steps to improve offensively to me.
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who is responsible for them being so?
Oregeron.
There are other factors...
Bad oline play
QB with a few months in the offense
OB & WR had very little time to work together
No star rb's
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:33 pm to Goldrush25
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Well that's ridiculous. You don't wait to hold someone accountable by firing them.
"Well Jones, have a seat. You've been fricking up all year and rather than inform you of what's an acceptable level of performance and what's not I'm firing you."
Ideally we want him to win, so minimize mistakes along the way. If no one's holding him accountable along the way (not fans, but his bosses), then that's a piss poor way to run a football program
No. People here have constantly put out that hold O accountable bullshite. Accusing posters of not holding O accountable. People are still bringing it up in this thread but nobody wants to explain how we as fans hold O accountable.
As long as he's the head football coach he's going to run the team as he sees fit. The only way to change that as long as his neck is on the line is fire the man.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:40 pm to bencoleman
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As long as he's the head football coach he's going to run the team as he sees fit. The only way to change that as long as his neck is on the line is fire the man.
That's a somewhat simplistic way of thinking. Kind of like calling facts, excuses.
O has to show adaptability, while moving forward. This is what Saban had to do when his offense became too predictable. It has to be adaptability with a purpose. This is where you see the questions of "why Ensminger" arise.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you think the coach would rather win or "do it his way?"
It's hard to figure this one out. O says he's going to hire the very best coordinators, get out of their way and let them coach. Then he gets involved in the 2017 offense, things supposedly get heated between the coaches, and then o says something along the lines of I'm the head coach and we're gonna do things my way.
Then the team proceeds to go 9-4 on the season.
So I'll throw that question right back at ya. Do you think the coach would rather win or "do it his way?"
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:42 pm to Topwater Trout
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.he certainly doesn't know as much about football as O
Are you suggesting o knows more about football than Miles?
And if you are, how and why did you come to that conclusion?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:43 pm to earl keese
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Are you suggesting o knows more about football than Miles?
Prove to me that he doesn't...……..
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:45 pm to earl keese
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So I'll throw that question right back at ya. Do you think the coach would rather win or "do it his way?"
You are just looking for reasons to bash O.. Pleaase stop.. You are making a fool of yourself...
BTW if you don't like whats happening at LSU go ROOT for another team...………..
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:46 pm to Damone
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Damone
Do you even cheer for LSU at this point???????
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
I'll take your post as you thinking it was a good idea.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:51 pm to BayouCowboy
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That's a somewhat simplistic way of thinking. Kind of like calling facts, excuses
The context being the posters claim that nobody is holding Ed accountable. Not that he's running the team in the ground.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:52 pm to dukke v
You got beef?
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