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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:46 am to earl keese
Posted on 6/18/19 at 1:46 am to earl keese
It's a really weird way to act.
But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
But whatever floats your boat, I guess.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 2:02 am
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Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Are you knighting for the guy
They all take up for each other. they can't stand it when you hurt one of their little friends feelings. They take it all personal like.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 2:26 am to bencoleman
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They all take up for each other
How am I taking up for Rick?
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I'm not defending him and I'm not defending you. I'm saying you both look like morons for behaving the way you do. Just don't reply to him and I'd tell him the same thing.
You evidently have some axe to grind with him, so just ignore him. Now you're throwing darts at me AGAIN, for no reason other than bringing attention to how foolish you and he look for whining incessantly like 4 year olds for hours now.
You and Roger act like there are two rival gangs of fans here, which in itself is absurd.
The fact that all of us are LSU fans is lost with you and Roger's, "you just can't wait to see him get fired, you're no LSU fan, I don't know why you feel the need to dump on the coach for no reason, etc" when just concerning facts are presented. It's either worship the ground he walks on or you're a hater, according to you two.
I've literally seen one poster say he wants to see O get fired. One poster.
I support O, contrary to what you think, I do. I've never said I want to see him fail. But if a poster doesn't share the same amount of support for O that you do, he's deemed a hater. It's either that or you simply seek out confrontations. It's one or the other.
What ever happened to just discussing football?
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 3:05 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 6:30 am to la_birdman
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What ever happened to just discussing football
You should ask your little buddies that question. It's usually when they show up that the name calling gets started. I've largely laid off the name calling. I still get my point across but I'm not calling names. You've got posters that you regularly defend and agree with that couldn't complete a post if they couldn't accuse somebody of lying.
That's what's absurd. Unless and until I see you holding those posters to the same standards that you seem to want to hold me and Rog too I'm going to have a hard time taking you seriously.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:15 am to la_birdman
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What ever happened to just discussing football?
I’m game.
What makes an offense a a success?
Is it a success only if it scores a certain number of points per game?
Only if it gains a certain amount of yards?
If it controls the TOP and limits an opposing offense?
If it takes care of the ball and has a great TO Margin??
It if is balanced?
What makes an offense a successful?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 8:30 am to tandrews37
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What makes an offense a a success
This.
Burrow threw for 2900 yards
The offense wasn't a disaster.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:04 am to tandrews37
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What makes an offense a a success?
Fully depends on what the objective is, right? There was a time under Miles where the offensive objective was simply to not turn the ball over, rack up huge TOP, and score enough to allow our defense to win games. This offense seemed to drive lots of fans CRAZY, despite it's overall success rate.
Was is largely successful? Yup. Was it as successful as we needed it to be, given what our win/loss expectations were for the program? Nope. Which is ultimately why Miles, despite his titles, was shown the door.
So...the REAL question is and always has been realizing that whatever we do on offense HAS TO result in more wins than we had under Miles. It's irrelevant where we finish in total passing yards if we win at the same rate. It's irrelevant where we finish in total offense if we never win the SECW. Who cares how FUN we are to look at on offense if we are still averaging 3 losses a season?
My beef with all of this talk is that we are essentially on our third OC beginning our third full season under Orgeron, and while that's great in the sense that at least he seems interested on trying to fix things that are broken, why is it that he's never held accountable for why we're still tinkering with this three years in?? People who are constantly touting Orgeron tout this as a positive, rather than wondering why it is we're STILL trying to find an identity as a program going into his 35th game as LSU's head Coach and 27th as it's full time leader. Why do we gloss over this, given that we know how OC turn over wrecks havoc on a program?
At the end of the day, I care about winning. I don't REALLY care if we run 90% of the time into a stacked box, or throw 90% of the time out of 5 wide sets. I just case about competing for and winning the SECW, which puts the program in contention for titles. Some fans, it seems, have always concerned themselves with the style of the offense, rather than it's effectiveness is helping to obtain wins.
So, to directly answer you initial question, our offense is a success if it helps lead LSU to an SECW title and beyond...regardless of where it is ranked statistically. Likewise, our offense could be ranked #1 in every statistic, but if we still don't compete for the SECW, who really gives a flying frick? At the end of the day, it really just depends what you want our of the program...titles or raw entertainment?
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:14 am to GeauxTigerTM
good stuff. buttttttt
just wanted to point out if LSU is ranked #1 in every statistic, they are probably also winning at a high clip
I think the funny thing about what I asked is that there isn't necessarily a wrong answer...so long as you can defend your position.
If you believe Burrow throwing for 4000 yards is the key to a successful offense, thats great! just give your reasoning for it.
If you believe hitting the "success rate" according to BillC ( LINK ) every down is the key, more power to you! just give your reasoning for it.
I guess I am just sick of reading about "as long as it doesn't look like a Les Miles offense!" That's not an answer. thats just being irrationally angry at a guy who isn't even here anymore.
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Likewise, our offense could be ranked #1 in every statistic, but if we still don't compete for the SECW, who really gives a flying frick?
just wanted to point out if LSU is ranked #1 in every statistic, they are probably also winning at a high clip
I think the funny thing about what I asked is that there isn't necessarily a wrong answer...so long as you can defend your position.
If you believe Burrow throwing for 4000 yards is the key to a successful offense, thats great! just give your reasoning for it.
If you believe hitting the "success rate" according to BillC ( LINK ) every down is the key, more power to you! just give your reasoning for it.
I guess I am just sick of reading about "as long as it doesn't look like a Les Miles offense!" That's not an answer. thats just being irrationally angry at a guy who isn't even here anymore.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:41 am to la_birdman
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The fact that all of us are LSU fans is lost with you and Roger's, "you just can't wait to see him get fired, you're no LSU fan
Absolutely.
We're actually all on the same side here but some are convinced that we're enemies.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
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why is it that he's never held accountable for why we're still tinkering with this three years in
What exactly do you call being held accountable? What would you have people do? Considering that we as fans don't really know the entire story about how we ended up here how do you think that you can actually come to a conclusion about accountability?
What does accountability entail? I'm afraid I don't get what you want to do?
Do you want to fire the coach over internet rumors and baseless accusations? What exactly are you looking to happen?
Let's get beyond this vague accountability and find out what concrete actions you and other's are looking for.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:51 am to bencoleman
I think no matter how reactionary the internet portion of the fanbase is, the fact is Orgeron is heading into year 3. This is the paydirt year. He just got his extension and his raise. He has a staff full of his coaches, he has a roster full of his players.
Whatever you believe O needs to have to a successful offense, this is the year he needs to make it happen. If he has a successful offense this year, he will buy himself time regardless of the number of wins, because the defense isn't about to suddenly become shite. the defense is a known quantity. the offense has to improve or else things will get very dicey in a hurry for O.
Whatever you believe O needs to have to a successful offense, this is the year he needs to make it happen. If he has a successful offense this year, he will buy himself time regardless of the number of wins, because the defense isn't about to suddenly become shite. the defense is a known quantity. the offense has to improve or else things will get very dicey in a hurry for O.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:57 am to tandrews37
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just wanted to point out if LSU is ranked #1 in every statistic, they are probably also winning at a high clip
Possibly, and likely probable...but my point is that while we were slogging away under Miles (and winning) people seemed to lust for sexier offense. Often times this would even be said after wins, and convincing ones at that. eventually, it became clear that, to some at least, how the offense looked was more important than if it played the role it was designed to play in our scheme.
At the end of the day, anyone who prefers Texas Tech's high powered offense and win/loss record over a more pedestrian offense and a better record is a fool as far as I'm concerned.
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I guess I am just sick of reading about "as long as it doesn't look like a Les Miles offense!" That's not an answer. thats just being irrationally angry at a guy who isn't even here anymore.
Agreed...see above.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 9:58 am to bencoleman
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The offense wasn’t a disaster
Your are right. What it turned out to be was less productive than the offense of 3 yrs ago.
Call me unreasonable if you want, but I thought the idea was to be producing a better offense three years later and not a worse one.
Hopefully, all that changes this season, but until it does it’s highly problematic.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:03 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Your are right. What it turned out to be was less productive than the offense of 3 yrs ago
I'm sure that there are years that you can point to that it was more productive than. There were plenty of factors at work last year that people love to ignore. Taking those into account last year wasn't a disaster. This year is set up nicely for success. Burrow will make a name for himself and play himself into a much higher draft pick. This is going to be a great year.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:38 am to GeauxTigerTM
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My beef with all of this talk is that we are essentially on our third OC beginning our third full season under Orgeron, and while that's great in the sense that at least he seems interested on trying to fix things that are broken, why is it that he's never held accountable for why we're still tinkering with this three years in??
The most consistent answer is that "He's trying."
Hate to use a cliche' Star Wars reference but "do or do not, there is no try."
If he went out and got an expert that knows how to do exactly what he said he wanted to do and installed him as OC, then that would be doing. Why not do the thing that would most reliably get you to the place you want to go? None of the coach's proponents can answer that question for me.
I believe it's because he clearly values something else above getting the best guy for the job, which is distressing. I'd love to hear if anyone has a better explanation.
This post was edited on 6/18/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:45 am to earl keese
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Most of it by you
Let's see your link, chief.
You really need some counseling
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:46 am to tandrews37
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Like O’s chances at winning a division title?
That's stupid
Are you saying it's zero? Or are you saying talent or scheme doesn't matter?
Sounds like more 4th grade drivel
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:56 am to Goldrush25
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I believe it's because he clearly values something else above getting the best guy for the job, which is distressing.
You're using the same logic you repudiate daily.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 10:57 am to tandrews37
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I think no matter how reactionary the internet portion of the fanbase is, the fact is Orgeron is heading into year 3. This is the paydirt year. He just got his extension and his raise. He has a staff full of his coaches, he has a roster full of his players. Whatever you believe O needs to have to a successful offense, this is the year he needs to make it happen. If he has a successful offense this year, he will buy himself time regardless of the number of wins, because the defense isn't about to suddenly become shite. the defense is a known quantity. the offense has to improve or else things will get very dicey in a hurry for O.
I agree to an extent. We need to see more offensive consistency, but this season needs to be an extremely successful one. We should be favored vs every opponent not named Bama. This is 100% O's team here in year 3 and there will be little forgiveness if we don't perform like real contenders. This team is built to win in 2019. I think we take a slight step back in 2020 with a new QB and a lot of defensive changeover.
I did not see us as a realistic contender in 2018 and I would say we did better than expected but we can't squander the talent on this 2019 team. The future is now.
Posted on 6/18/19 at 11:04 am to Goldrush25
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believe it's because he clearly values something else above getting the best guy for the job, which is distressing. I'd love to hear if anyone has a better explanation
So you think that the coach doesn't actually want to give the team the best chance to win and makes decisions accordingly. Just about any explanation is better than that.
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