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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:59 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 6/23/19 at 9:59 am to TigerLunatik
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In a major poll
The advent of the playoff poll has diminished the value of other polls. imo
That doesn’t it mean it’s not a nice accomplishment cause it is.
Three years after a coaching change I had hoped we would hanging out hat on west titles or SEC titles or better offenses or the playoffs and not AP poll results. Hopefully, we beat Bama, win the west, and have a top O this coming yr.
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:12 am to Lonnie4LSU
It's difficult to argue with any of that, Lonnie. I think O really felt the pressure in '17. I'm not making an excuse for him because he's paid to coach to win. After the Missouri game he said "I would have score more if I could have. We're gonna pedal to the medal, go go go" and we haven't seen that since. IMO he needs to go back to that to reach the goals he and the fans want to reach.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:16 am to TigerLunatik
I think the main problem is O has no idea what he wants in an offense. He retained nearly all of Miles’ position coaches after being hired, he brought in Canada then didn’t want to let him run his offense, then hired E. In interviews he’s said he wants to run: a power offense, spread offense, RPO offense, USC early 2000’s offense, Miami 90’s offense and the Saints offense. Without any identity or goals from the head coach, you can’t expect the team to have an offensive identity.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:22 am to TigerLunatik
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After the Missouri game he said "I would have score more if I could have. We're gonna pedal to the medal, go go go" and we haven't seen that since. IMO he needs to go back to that to reach the goals he and the fans want to reach.
The talent and experience in 2018 didn’t remotely compare to what it was in 2016. Miles’ last offensive classes dived and you saw the results of that last year when those classes were the upperclassmen. 2019 has considerable returning production and more more talent coming in at RB, the easiest position for a freshman to make an impact. We’ll see a much more productive offense.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:30 am to The First Cut
That doesn't explain the ridiculous decision to kick a field goal from the 1 instead of going for the kill in an exhibition game. He played ultra conservative vs lesser teams outside of the Ole Miss game last year. Even me as perceived hater by some started a thread glowing about what a good job he did in that game. I actually understood the vanilla game plan late vs Miami because their team thrives on turnovers and I don't blame him one bit for being vanilla in the second half there.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:35 am to Lonnie4LSU
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The advent of the playoff poll has diminished the value of other polls. imo
I'm fine with that. What were the final CFP rankings?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 10:45 am to The First Cut
I’m sure it had nothing to do with him getting the first conference title in 20 years.
2011 was a long time ago, but LSU is still a ways away from falling as far as Clemson had during the 90s and early 00s.
2011 was a long time ago, but LSU is still a ways away from falling as far as Clemson had during the 90s and early 00s.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:13 am to The First Cut
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The talent and experience in 2018 didn’t remotely compare to what it was in 2016.
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Miles’ last offensive classes dived and you saw the results of that last year when those classes were the upperclassmen.
Care to make some predictions for what you expect from the 2019 LSU offense?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 12:12 pm to Damone
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So O lied when he said he’d go out and hire the best coordinators available?
Only if you see the world through the eyes of a preschooler.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 1:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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pedal to the metal
I recall that quote by coach O and as you said, we haven’t seen very much of that type attitude since.
I guess, to be fair, we should allow Coach O to get his LSU HC legs under him. I surely hope that happens this year and we become far more competitive against Bama and winning the west than we have been for the past three years.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:01 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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far more competitive against Bama and winning the west than we have been for the past three years.
We very well may lose to Texas but we WILL beat Bama... Sort out the rest the way you want.....
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:16 pm to Lonnie4LSU
I think we see a more aggressive Orgeron this year for a number of reasons. He knows he has to show real improvement in year 3, Brady has been hyped into the stratosphere and IMO O and E are going to trust their playmakers on offense this year infinitely more than the past 2 years.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:19 pm to dukke v
I just don't see us losing to Texas, Peej. The naysayers will have a fricking field day throwing that shite into people's faces that have guaranteed O is better than Herman. He knows about that shite and probably wants to be Herman as bad or worse than anyone on the schedule.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:22 pm to TigerLunatik
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That doesn't explain the ridiculous decision to kick a field goal from the 1 instead of going for the kill in an exhibition game. He played ultra conservative vs lesser teams outside of the Ole Miss game last year.
He's scared of taking a calculated risk that will draw criticism when it doesn't work out.
The great coaches know that you have to make those decisions, and they won't work out sometimes. You have to be willing to make a decision that horribly backfires and everyone calls you an idiot. Can't achieve greatness if you're not willing to potentially embarrass yourself in the process. Doesn't seem to be something that he's accepted.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:33 pm to dukke v
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We very well may lose to Texas but we WILL beat Bama... Sort out the rest the way you want.....
11-1? 10-2?
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:34 pm to Goldrush25
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He's scared of taking a calculated risk that will draw criticism when it doesn't work out.
this is a perfect example of projection. Where simple fans pretend they understand what's happening based on a huge personal bias, and how they would react.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 2:40 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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we should allow Coach O to get his LSU HC legs under him
I agree, he’s only coached 34 games as LSU’s Head Coach.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:04 pm to Damone
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I agree, he’s only coached 34 games as LSU’s Head Coach.
Barely got his feet wet.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:13 pm to earl keese
I think he needs at least another 34 before we can possibly declare him on the “hot seat”.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 3:20 pm to tandrews37
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I think he needs at least another 34 before we can possibly declare him on the “hot seat”.
At the very least.
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