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re: Something an Okie state fan put together
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:08 am to doze4
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:08 am to doze4
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Dude, yall have only beat 3 teams with winning records, THREE! If you were to beat Iowa State it would be your 3rd best victory ! Iowa State has a winning record.
If you want to judge teams solely by their record then you have an argument. I look at the teams play and judge how good they are. Western Kentucky, SDSU, Wyoming, are just a few of many teams that have winning records, does that mean they are somehow quality teams?
I don't necessarily disagree with OSU on paper having a better resume, I was only arguing some of the blatant homerism in the OP. OSU has a strong paper argument no reason for hyperbole and exclusion of facts, it only makes his argument appear weaker.
Bottom line for me is Bama is the second best team easily, most of America agrees.
As I have said already, when Stanford won yesterday and Bama won, that guaranteed Bama a trip to the big game. OSU can crush OU and still would not matter.
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:09 am to Defense
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A plus 1 would fix all of this
Some type of playoff (Huge supporter) is needed but people will still bitch. Hell, LSU is in the SECCG and will most likely be in the NCG and people are bitching. Trust me, it's the opponent, not the system. My guess is they would be upset if there was a playoff system of some type.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:10 am to doze4
Fine, take off Texas A&M...take off Tulsa.
Guess who still had a better schedule????
Oklahoma State
Guess who still has a chance to be Division and Conference champs??????
Oklahoma State
Alabama has None
Guess who has still beaten 5 teams with winning records in Division 1?????
Oklahoma State (If they beat Oklahoma it will be 6)
Alabama has 3
Guess who has still beat 4 currently ranked teams in the BCS????
Oklahoma State
Alabama has beat only 2 currently ranked BCS team
Guess who has the best loss????
The Elephants
Guess who still had a better schedule????
Oklahoma State
Guess who still has a chance to be Division and Conference champs??????
Oklahoma State
Alabama has None
Guess who has still beaten 5 teams with winning records in Division 1?????
Oklahoma State (If they beat Oklahoma it will be 6)
Alabama has 3
Guess who has still beat 4 currently ranked teams in the BCS????
Oklahoma State
Alabama has beat only 2 currently ranked BCS team
Guess who has the best loss????
The Elephants
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:15 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I believe Bama is definitely in a different class from OSU. I have been around and around with some of these folks tonight. I couldn't or wouldn't be able to get past the loss to ISU either. They don't care, they are not looking for the best team, just anyone but Bama.
Been there, won that. We want new meat. Don't want the rest of the country saying "Congratulations, you just won SECCG part 2" after a win over Bammy
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
Any more than a plus 1 would just about kill the luster of the reg season. And would kill OOC games. The big 4 conferences all will have conf champ games and the winners and runners up from each conference are usually easy to determine how all of those stack up, in the rankings. You take the top four and do the plus one. Takes what we have now and makes it better.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:23 am to doze4
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Been there, won that. We want new meat. Don't want the rest of the country saying "Congratulations, you just won SECCG part 2" after a win over Bammy
The problem with that argument is that even though you already beat us, you could have easily lost and could easily lose in the rematch. The design of the BCS is to limit games to decide a Champ by giving the eye test by voters and looking at the body of work by computers to find a quicker way to determine the 2 best teams.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:31 am to Defense
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OSU can crush OU and still would not matter.
So Oklahoma State wins 40-10
NO WAY does that score not matter to voters. If Oklahoma State CRUSHES Oklahoma some voters will put Oklahoma State at #2....the question is how many?????
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:32 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:33 am to bona fide
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A bit of homerism.
- Including Tulsa
- Including A&M(6-6) while not including UF,Vandy,MSU(all 6-6) for Bama.
- Including how each team loss but not who the loss was to. Who a team beats is important, but not who they lose to?
3rd point is your only valid one. Texas A&M was ranked 8th when they played and is leagues better than UF, Vandy or MSU. Texas A&M has played the toughest schedule in the nation and lost a lot of very close games against good teams. UF, Vandy, and MSU have all been unimpressive.
And Tulsa is a good team. They haven't lost to any team outside of the top 10. Using Bama's argument for being #2, that means they should be ranked #11
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:40 am to noonan
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Tulsa has 4 losses.
So does Auburn...
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:44 am to Golfer
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So does Auburn...
All to teams that will be playing for some kind of championship.
And to Tulsa's credit all of their losses are to a team that will play for a championship too Except Boise.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:45 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:46 am to Defense
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All to teams that will be playing for some kind of championship.
Bama is playing for a championship?
Arkansas is playing for a championship?
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:47 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:49 am to doze4
Honestly, none of those Big 12 teams would even be ranked if they were in the SEC. Maybe one, near the end of the top 25.
That is why I hate people who keep talking up OK St's resume. They beat a bunch of ranked teams, sure. Mediocre big 12 teams. And had trouble beating most of them(TX, A&M, Kansas State and of course Iowa St)
You can't fault Alabama for their scheduling. They just have to line up and play who is on their schedule. They were highly ranked to begin the year and beat everyone except LSU. Yea, they didn't beat a bunch of ranked teams, but they were the only team that looked to even be remotely close to LSU when they played each other, which says a lot.. In fact, it is huge.
And that graphic leaves out Florida who was #12 when Alabama crushed them
That is why I hate people who keep talking up OK St's resume. They beat a bunch of ranked teams, sure. Mediocre big 12 teams. And had trouble beating most of them(TX, A&M, Kansas State and of course Iowa St)
You can't fault Alabama for their scheduling. They just have to line up and play who is on their schedule. They were highly ranked to begin the year and beat everyone except LSU. Yea, they didn't beat a bunch of ranked teams, but they were the only team that looked to even be remotely close to LSU when they played each other, which says a lot.. In fact, it is huge.
And that graphic leaves out Florida who was #12 when Alabama crushed them
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 2:50 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:51 am to Golfer
Yep the big one
And the math is wrong Auburn has 5 losses.
And the math is wrong Auburn has 5 losses.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 2:58 am to doze4
If this OP was not awesome, I do not know what is...
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:01 am to WavinWilly
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They would obliterate Ole Miss. Just look at what LaTech did to them. Miss St was brought to overtime by Latech. SO I would hope you could at least see it as a possibility for those 2.
Vandy has a great secondary but their offense sputters too much to keep up.
Kentucky is bad. No more argument there.
Tenn is in rough shape on defense and just lost to Kentucky.
That only leaves Auburn and Florida as teams you can most likely count on to beat them. I wouldn't be shocked if Auburn lost in a shootout though.
ETA: this isn't a testament necessarily to how good Tulsa is, but how down the SEC bottom is this year. I would value the Tulsa win over a win in the state of Mississippi.
think you mean offense. other than the Alabama, LSU, and Arkansas games Tennessee has done pretty well on defense all year. Those three teams are the top 3 offenses in the conference in terms of scoring. Tyler Bray still hasn't regained his arm strength since breaking his hand, Justin Hunter has been out for the year, and they have no running back worth a damn. They did lose to Kentucky, but their defense only gave up 10 points. I agree with the gist of your post, though. Tulsa's only losses are to top 10 teams, why would anyone expect them to win those? They have a really good quarterback, however, that would give the bottom half of the SEC fits.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:05 am to Defense
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A testament to the TR is that this side is much more bearable than the SECR.
A plus 1 would fix all of this
LSU vs Va Tech
Bama vs. OSU
or whoever is the top 4.
Winners meet and take all.
ETA 2 and 3 play on Christmas Eve and 1 and 4 play on Christmas night.
I'd say if they let Bama and LSU play again: LSU wins, they win the national title. Bama wins, they play a rubber match at an entirely neutral site across the country. That would be the only "fair" way to do it. It's not fair that if Bama makes the title game, LSU would have to beat them twice this year to win the title while Bama would only have to beat them once. I don't even care that LSU has to play an extra game this weekend that Bama doesn't. It's more ridiculous that putting Bama in for a rematch would basically make "the game of the century" meaningless and a home loss to lose your division meaningless.
I do think it's indisputable Bama is the 2nd best team in the country, but the best team doesn't always get the nod just based on that. You also have to earn the right to be there. Bama had their chance to earn it in November and didn't. If LSU had lost the game 9-6, I'm not even sure people would be pushing for a rematch as much as they have been for Bama. But, even so, I would not feel entitled to be in the game because I thought LSU as better than the other teams in the discussion. Sure I'd hope they got the nod, but I wouldn;t feel slighted by being jumped by a conference champion with the same record.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 3:09 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:08 am to DucksflyinPAC
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If this OP was not awesome, I do not know what is...
Name me one team(any team listed anywhere) that you see on the graphic that would be favored over Alabama on a neutral field besides LSU.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 3:09 am
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:20 am to lsufball19
IF the roles were reversed the rematch would have been evident weeks ago. The road loss to Bama would look better than the road loss to ISU. This is the system we have. IF all the teams with a shot had not shite the bed us Gumps would have quietly went by the way side.
But we figrued out who to pull for and used our will to propell those teams to victory.
But we figrued out who to pull for and used our will to propell those teams to victory.
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:56 am to doze4
Funny how they have #8 TAMU for them but leave off #12 UF for Bama.
Tulsa?
This is a joke...
Tulsa?
This is a joke...
Posted on 11/28/11 at 4:25 am to Lester Earl
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And that graphic leaves out Florida who was #12 when Alabama crushed them
Florida is not very good....at all
This is why preseason polls are ridiculous!!!
Mississippi State was ranked at one time as well...we all know how that ended up.
Same thing can be said for Texas A&M (although it is my opinion that Texas A&M would beat Florida)
Take Tulsa and Texas A&M off the graph----> Oklahoma State still has a better schedule/wins than BAMA. All you have to do is look at the BCS poll and the fact that they have a higher SoS than BAMA
The loss State has still looks really bad though
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