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ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Your regression approach to arguments leads us in circles. Do better. You’re welcome to reread my exact thought by going back in the thread. I’m tired of giving to repeat myself to you.


GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
You lost the argument yesterday when you just kept making stuff up. We are going in circles and you’ve shown you don’t have much of a clue about this team or any other so you just resort to complaining about decisions if they don’t turn out well. That doesn’t take any skills or show any insight. That’s why I I’ve approached you in the way that I have. It isn’t really worthy of more than that.


ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
We are going in circles because you keep making up my arguments for me.

And you keep asking me to explain my points over and over without you ever making any. It’s YOU who keeps questioning me. I’ve explained why I didn’t want Hellmers in game two. Or why I wanted Floyd to stay in. Both things I wanted prior to pms decision. That’s not hindsight you dumb frick.


TigerLunatik
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Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.


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GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
You said Helmers was cut from the pitching roster and was at first picking balls in the dirt when PM saw something liked. He used a gut feeling and ego in moving him to 3rd and starting him even though he knew and we all knew that the other guys had been doing better. You made all of that up. You said he was competing for the starting spot at 1st base. You said that the coaches didn’t include him in our top ten pitchers when they did. You said George was known to walk people but yet you didn’t complain about him pitching in a fairly close first game. That’s hindsight. You said we all knew that Helmers shouldn’t have started at 3B to begin with. That’s hindsight. You made up a lot of other things which I pointed out in the other posts, genius. You just kept saying stuff and then changing hoping you were right and it would stick. Congratulations on you wanting someone else to start at 3B after the first game and thinking Poche should start in 2017. Congratulations on saying Floyd shouldn’t have been taken out after George didn’t do well. Congratulations on saying that a guy throwing 97 with movement isn’t as good as the caliber we will face in conference on most weekends. So brilliant. You should be coaching for sure.
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Nix to Twillie
LSU Fan
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
10264 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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You lost the argument





ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Wall of text regurgitating my points. Half of them exaggerated or downright wrong. Again, be better.


GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Didn’t you say that speaking about only being two CWS champions since our last appearance was spin? Or was it the part I said about playing in the CWS multiple times since our last championship is spin? Both are positive things so I’m not sure exactly


GoneFishing21
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Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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Wall of text regurgitating my points. Half of them exaggerated or downright wrong. Again, be better.


Nobody is going to go back and read, but it’s all there if people wanted to read it. You either flat out made stuff up and said it or you implied things that were easily understood by what you were saying.


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HuckFinn
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2014
525 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
I’m not a big PM fan and it wouldn’t upset me if LSU went in another direction. Fact is, the game today is quite different than when Bertman invented Gorilla ball. The whole bat and ball specification from several years ago probably affected LSU more so than some other schools as it basically mandated that LSU learn how to recruit players that could play “small ball”. PM basically likes to recruit SS at almost every position.

Then when teams at the CWS had several years of only hitting a handful of home runs during the entire CWS they changed the ball again and lowered the seems on the ball. That last change they made actually lens itself to more to helping the hitters. It created more hits off the wall and allowed more home runs. I think LSU has been slow to adjust to all of the changes to the bats and balls. Those changes changed the college game. If forced teams to adjust. I think LSU adjusted poorly in terms of how it reacted to those changes.


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Nix to Twillie
LSU Fan
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
10264 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Oh I don’t care about that anymore. You made your point, I acknowledge it, it’s valid—criticism of this team since 2017 has been well warranted, but you’re correct in that 2017 wasn’t very long ago.

My gif has nothing to do with whatever you’re taking about. Declaring victory for a message board argument reeks of insecurity. That’s all I meant. But carry on—I know it’s important.


GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
It wasn’t about declaring victory. It was about him losing credibility when he began making up stuff that was blatantly false. That’s what I was referencing. I wasn’t trying to take a victory lap.
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ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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Fact is, the game today is quite different than when Bertman invented Gorilla ball. The whole bat and ball specification from several years ago probably affected LSU more so than some other schools as it basically mandated that LSU learn how to recruit players that could play “small ball”. PM basically likes to recruit SS at almost every position
This excuse for not winning is 10 years old now.


ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Yes you were.

It’s not false that Hellmers was being looked at in the infield because he was disposable as a pitcher. It’s not false that PM goes with his gut often as he himself has admitted and this move fit that behavior to a T. It’s not false that the pitchers we saw on Sunday (plural as you used) would equate to what we would see nearly every sec weekend excluding one guy who’s a freshman with zero experience and throws hard and pitched one inning against us. You’ve twisted my words and even added strawman arguments so you can feel like you won something. I got tired of calling them all out.


GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
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re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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Yes you were


No I wasn’t. I was referencing the fact that you lied. I could not care less about declaring victory. Now who is trying to make their argument for the other person? The posts are there. You lied and you were exposed for saying stuff that wasn’t true. You continued to keep trying to tweak it over time, but clearly had no idea what you were talking about. I was saying that is a losing argument. Nobody is trying to declare victory over you. It’s not that hard to do. Not a real accomplishment. But try to hang onto that if you think that helps you look better. Whatever you need.


Steamy Ray
Houston Astros Fan
Member since Jan 2013
910 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
I hope Paul sees this bro


TigerLunatik
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
58290 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
Maybe Paul could learn a thing or two from that 10 page argument and however many more pages it ends up going.


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ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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I was referencing the fact that you lied.
Except I didn’t. Did you see the article today? PM saw Hellmers play first once. Had to ask him where he played defense in high school because he didn’t know and then let Hellmers start two games after just a week of practice at 3B because he was out with Coronavirus. PM set the kid up for failure and even admitted as much. And then the quote about being one of the top 10 pitchers isn’t even from Mainieri. It’s a line from Wilson (sports writer) simply using lowest ERAs over the fall. My god what a terrible barometer.

PM went with Hellmers after not knowing where he played in high school, one day looking good at 1B and then a week of practice at the position. If that’s not going on your gut by putting him in over the 53rd ranked high school player in the country, I don’t know what is. It’s certainly not a true evaluation and if it was, that’s even worse.


GoneFishing21
LSU Fan
Member since May 2017
890 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
His quote about Helmers before the season described him as a two way player who he felt could end up being like Austin Bain. You said he saw him pick some balls coming from across the diamond. Mainieri said that he saw him fielding balls at first and that his fundamentals in fielding were better than the guys who had been competing at 3rd. He wanted to try him there after Helmers told him he had played 3rd in high school. After having him switch to 3rd, he believed that Helmers had been better defensively than the other guys who had not separated themselves from each other yet. He started him feeling like he gave them the best chance defensively to start the season. It’s all out there and been documented. As far as the quote about being in the top ten pitchers, where do you think the sports writer got it from? Thin air? I literally watched the video where PM said he and AD had to have a discussion about it because they felt that Helmers was in their top 10 pitchers on the team. I applaud you for trying to do a little more research this time, but you still got it wrong.


ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
68646 posts

re: Some LSU fans are either joking or they apparently have never played baseball.
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Mainieri said that he saw him fielding balls at first and that his fundamentals in fielding were better than the guys who had been competing at 3rd.
Now who's lying? All he said was Thompson was having throwing issues. The fielding ground balls part wasn't mentioned. If his fundamentals were really that good, he would still be at 3B.
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s far as the quote about being in the top ten pitchers, where do you think the sports writer got it from? Thin air?
I told you were he got it from. Read better.


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