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re: Some LSU Basketball perspective for our program's direction
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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You're both overstating our total level of talent right now. Since the 2000-2001 season, we've gotten to 20 wins only 4 times. This season makes 5.
Helps with how weak the conference is this year and the mediocre OOC LSU played.
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Some of you are just not being realistic in what our program is on the national level. I'm not satisfied in the NIT but I'm going to take the positives from the situation. This is a step up from where we've been the past 5 years.
Again, I am not being unrealistic when I look at this team. Total wins is meaningless to me. 20-13 vs 19-14 isn't some magical difference in how good a team is. I hate when people make this argument in football about 11-win seasons when There only 11-12 games in a season 30 years ago while there are at least 13 now and sometimes even 14, with 15-16 on the way with the new playoff system.
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The whole point in this thread is for some of you to have a little perspective so you can enjoy the ride and support this team and coach. Have more patience than 2 seasons. Give the man a chance to make his own roster. The additions so far should at least make you optimistic.
I am not and neither are most others on here calling for JJ to go. I like the guy, but I am being realistic when I see what he put on the court this season. Records mean jack if your team looks poorly coached half the time. You can see how talent covers for him. Also, I think you tend to understate the talent he has on this team. Guys being small does not equal poor talent.
In the end, JJ is a good recruiter who clearly isn't that great if not a bad coach of the game.
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Give the man a chance to make his own roster. The additions so far should at least make you optimistic
Again, who has said to fire him?
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:37 pm to Geauxgurt
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In the end, JJ is a good recruiter who clearly isn't that great if not a bad coach of the game.
This is not at all clear or decided. And people have stated he doesn't have it and that he didn't deserve the job. They haven't called for his firing because they know they would get publicly bashed.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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And what exactly do you think North Texas was when he got that job? Johnny won their first ever conference championship. They were beyond repair before he went there yet he made them a consistent 20-win team.
Taking a bad team to decent in a crappy conference when you are in a significantly better recruiting location and have an AD that gives you a leg on resources, doesn't make you some kind of great coach. You also realize what kind of commitment to basketball the UNT athletic department had towards basketball before Jones got there, right?
He's not a horrible coach, which is what you think people are calling him. He's a decent coach that some feel MAY not be up to the task of coaching a perennial NCAA tourney team in a big-league conference.
That said, I hope next season we see an improved team and JJ succeeds.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:02 pm to lsu2006
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so you can enjoy the ride and support this team and coach.
I am enjoying the ride...I wouldn't be driving to Dallas if I wasn't.
My point is I don't see us playing good D...period. That is not going to change by simply bringing in highly recruited players. They're not just suddenly going to play good D b/c they're highly rated.
I would like/and hope to see improvements in this area.....what GG said as well....not calling for his head!
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:21 pm to RedTigerRulz
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They're not just suddenly going to play good D b/c they're highly rated.
Lol so better talent can't play better on defense than worse talent?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Lol so better talent can't play better on defense than worse talent?
Martin and Mickey aren't chopped liver. they were both highly recruited and neither is exceptional on D. "Better talent" still has to be coached up...something JJ has not done this year...at least on the D side.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:27 pm to RedTigerRulz
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My point is I don't see us playing good D...period. That is not going to change by simply bringing in highly recruited players. They're not just suddenly going to play good D b/c they're highly rated.
Better talent can absolutely mean better defense.
But more important, IMO, is chemistry and being on the same page. This team often times felt like a bunch of individuals with different goals and mindsets. I think getting all of Jones' guys in there and developing chemistry will be huge in the development of the program in general. Though we sorely lacked talent last year (and this year's talent has been GROSSLY overrated IMHO), they had good chemistry and intensity and a coach on the floor in Carmouche.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:32 pm to lsu2006
So you're saying when JJ gets all of "his guys" on board, things will be better? I'll buy it....when will the purge be complete after this year? 
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:34 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Martin and Mickey aren't chopped liver. they were both highly recruited and neither is exceptional on D. "Better talent" still has to be coached up...something JJ has not done this year...at least on the D side.
Martin and Mickey can't improve their D simply from having more experience now?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Martin and Mickey can't improve their D simply from having more experience now?
Certainly they can...but we've played schitty D for more than 2/3 of the season....its gotten worse not better. Where's the improvement from the beginning of the season? In theory, you should get better at something you suck at if you first, recognize there is a problem, and second, work like hell to fix it.
Whats the old adage? "Doing the same thing over and over incorrectly and hoping for a different result...yada yada"
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:42 pm to Geauxgurt
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I hate when people make this argument in football about 11-win seasons when There only 11-12 games in a season 30 years ago while there are at least 13 now
Are you serious? 11 wins in a 13 game season rounds out to a 85% winning percentage. Do you know how any teams have won 85% of their games since 05....1 and that's Bosie St. Hell, only 2 teams are even in the 80ies percentage wise during that time period. LSU comes in at .798.
Winning 11 of 13 games while playing in the most powerful conference in college football is a remarkable achievement. imo
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:48 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Stop it now. Freshman aren't allowed to play like freshman!
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:51 pm to oauron
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Freshman aren't allowed to play like freshman!
But but but... One and dones!! Kentucky! Derp!!1
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:56 pm to RedTigerRulz
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RedTigerRulz
Are you actually watching the games? For you to say that there hasn't been any improvement, I find it hard to believe you're paying any attention.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:59 pm to oauron
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For you to say that there hasn't been any improvement, I find it hard to believe you're paying any attention.
Yeah, we had a stretch of games where our D was straight up putrid. But we've been gradually improving since then, with a few lapses here and there like any other team. I'd still like to see more consistency, obviously, but our perceived defensive deficiencies have been really, really overblown lately.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:37 pm to oauron
The stupid in this thread is incredible.
I'm so tired of that narrative (that we can't play D). You're right, and I think our inconsistency is from a variety of little things rather than 'bad defense' or 'terrible shot selection.' We don't do the little things well consistently.
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I'd still like to see more consistency, obviously, but our perceived defensive deficiencies have been really, really overblown lately.
I'm so tired of that narrative (that we can't play D). You're right, and I think our inconsistency is from a variety of little things rather than 'bad defense' or 'terrible shot selection.' We don't do the little things well consistently.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:37 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Certainly they can...but we've played schitty D for more than 2/3 of the season....its gotten worse not better. Where's the improvement from the beginning of the season? In theory, you should get better at something you suck at if you first, recognize there is a problem, and second, work like hell to fix it.
Over the last 7 games we've allowed an average of 65 points per game. Over the whole season we allowed 71.
Improvement? Also, if you don't think Martin and Quarterman have improved from the beginning of the year, you don't know basketball at all.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
The bottom line is our D earlier in the year is why we aren't dancing now. I'm fine with the NIT this year and hope we go all the way. But lets not pretend like we've improved in that area by leaps and bounds.
Maybe we've improved a bit, but too little to late unfortunately.
Maybe we've improved a bit, but too little to late unfortunately.
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:48 am to RedTigerRulz
Good deal. We can both agree there
Posted on 3/21/14 at 9:53 am to LagdonCG
quote:yea ok.
Johnny Jones gave up on this team about mid way through
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