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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:22 am to Katy Tiger
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:22 am to Katy Tiger
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JL is Keiland Williams at the QB position. Les just doesn't trust JL. Its as simple as that.
I've used this comparison before. And I will readily admit I did not understand why Hester was the guy for most of that season. By the end, I fully understood it. Very similar with JJ vs JL.
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Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:22 am to Boh
Watch the replay of the safety and tell me again how JJ doesn't take chances with the ball in bad spots. You can try to blame everyone else if you want, but everyone who saw that play knows that was a a knucklehead move.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:23 am to Adam Banks
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Yes yes I do.
then tell me....how does Alabamas defensive ranking compare to all other defenses we have faced or will face?
secondly, how are outliers usually handled in conducting an analysis?
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If you want to talk about cherrypicking stats then throwing out a game where Lee did bad is the definition of cherry picking. JJ went against that same defense this year too and basically the same players last year.
You really have no fricking clue what an outlier is.....at all.
we're finished here.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:23 am to LSUzealot
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It most certainly was a team effort. With Reid, we lose the game. With Big Sam, we lose the game. Without Michael Ford, we lose the game.
Yet you chose to post "without JJ, we lose to Bama."
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Lee was rattled in that game. We would not have moved the football that night vs that defense.
I agree he was rattled and not himself. I disagree that the offense couldn't have moved without him or that he couldn't have hit the deep ball to Shep.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:24 am to ScoopAndScore
I hope you seriously don't believe that.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:24 am to Boh
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The quote was "without JJ, we lose to Bama"
This doesn't necessarily mean "Jefferson was the reason we beat Alabama."
The very simply truth of the matter is that Jefferson brought a skill set against Alabama which gave us a better opportunity to win the game when compared to Lee. That hardly means he was a primary reason for us winning (he wasn't.)
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:24 am to Boh
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The quote was "without JJ, we lose to Bama"
Irritating that he gets all the credit for wins, and Lee is just a manager.
I haven't heard anyone give JJ all the credit for the bama win. But at the same, how could you not say "without JJ, we lose"? Because without a doubt we lose that game if JJ isn't around.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:25 am to lsufball19
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JJ didn't do anything special against bama either other than not screw up. defense and defense alone won that game.
Right...which is what Lee had done prior to the insertion of JJ. JJ did what was asked of him that game, JL did not.
Again...we've had people on this board routinely point at various games last year and state without question had Lee not come in LSU would have lost. I think if those accusations can have merit, it's certainly intellectually honest to suggest that had JJ not been inserted into the game at BAMA LSU would have lost.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:25 am to Antonio Moss
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nd that isn't limited to Jefferson. Lee suffered much of the same fate in 2008. Until this year, neither QB was ever consistently put into a situation to succeed. Their hands were bound before they took the snap.
So we are moving the target now. Jefferson's pocket awareness is not a strength. Some would say it is questionable or tenuous. You apparently think I am being unfair about the situation in each of my examples, but I am just documenting the great weight of evidence that calls into question his pocket awareness. All I want is an acknowledgement of that fact. Again going to my point that we don't need to maximize big plays, just minimize negative ones.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:25 am to ScoopAndScore
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I haven't heard anyone give JJ all the credit for the bama win.
No, but his name always comes first as reasons we won.
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Because without a doubt we lose that game if JJ isn't around.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:26 am to Boh
This arguement will go on and on and on. It has and continues to be a major topic of discussion. Here's the bottom line; LSU is No. 1 in the country with an opportunity to win it all. I trust Les to make the call on who plays and trust we do get to and win the MNC. Best of all, JJ and JL will be gone after this year and we can move on. Jesus, give it a rest.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:26 am to ScoopAndScore
bullshite. Because of JJ's play, we did succeed against BAMA but you're telling me JL couldn't get is in field goal range at least once. Which is exactly what JJ did?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:27 am to Boh
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No, but his name always comes first as reasons we won.
Why does this bother people so much? WHo cares who gets credit?
I just don't understand this.
We fricking beat Bama at Bama! People are complaining about credit.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:28 am to mylsuhat
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Because of JJ's play, we did succeed against BAMA but you're telling me JL couldn't get is in field goal range at least once.
Apparently Lee was completely incapable of throwing the deep pass to Shep and getting us that field goal. If you don't acknowledge that we won the game because of JJ, you must be kidding yourself
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:28 am to Boh
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Boh
You are really butthurt about the Bama win.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:29 am to just me
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Lee has played damn well in 2011. I have repeatedly stated that Lee has been remarkably efficient in 2011. Lee's been damn good. I even started a thread with that title.
Did I insinuate you don't like Lee? No, I didn't.
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Link? No, really.
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(Posted on 10/6/11 at 11:26 a.m. to Ford Frenzy)
This is called cherry picking. You picked Lee's best game to compare stats. Again, that is called cherry picking.
And I stopped after finding this one example.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:29 am to CptBengal
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We'll start simple....do you know what an OUTLIER is ?
From this thread, it's pretty clear that you don't. Throwing out the Bama game is a terrible idea because it's perhaps the BEST game to use -- as both QB's got lots of playing time against the same defense. Throwing that data out because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions is statistical abuse of the highest order.
And Lee's numbers are not an outlier in that game. They are worse than normal, but that's not an outlier.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:29 am to CptBengal
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then tell me....how does Alabamas defensive ranking compare to all other defenses we have faced or will face?
secondly, how are outliers usually handled in conducting an analysis?
Alabama is the best. However in the SEC UGA is 3rd rushing (barely behind us) 3rd total number 3 scoring 1 in sacks number 6 in INTs (ahead of bama). We still have good defenses left on the schedule. When comparing two people who went against the same defense Bama is relevant. You can make up all your reasons to continue to hate JJ. Thats fine. Just know you are making them up.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 10:33 am
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:30 am to Boh
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You're letting 2008 confuse you. Were you not paying attention at the beginning of the season when Lee had the long streak of attempts without an interception? And another long streak after the Moo St pick without one?
Lee has played well this year, no one can dispute that, well up until the Bama game. Which is exactly my point. No matter what, Lee is still more likely to get rattled and make an awful throw. The good thing is that the new offense and OC/QB coach really seem to have turned Lee around. But I still had a bad feeling we would see the "old" JLee surface at some point when facing a very good D. Perhaps Bama is a one off exception. I hope so. But Lee still scares the crap out of me back there against good teams. JJ also scares me for different reasons. I just think his running ability and not throwing the ball up for grabs wins out.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:30 am to Boh
So, you think we would have won had Lee played the rest of the game after the pick?
We would have been down by 3 points. Lee had thrown a pick his last 2 passes--the last one being absolutely awful. No way Lee comes in the very next drive and gets a FG (what JJ did). We would have punted. Bama would have had the ball with all the momemtum.
Before you even respond, I want JLee to be the starter and play 60 to 70% of the snaps. But, Les did the right thing against Bama and if he wanted to reward him with PT vs WKentucky or if Lee was just in the doghouse, whatever it doesn't matter. I trust Les to make the right call....even if JJ starts vs Ole Miss.
We would have been down by 3 points. Lee had thrown a pick his last 2 passes--the last one being absolutely awful. No way Lee comes in the very next drive and gets a FG (what JJ did). We would have punted. Bama would have had the ball with all the momemtum.
Before you even respond, I want JLee to be the starter and play 60 to 70% of the snaps. But, Les did the right thing against Bama and if he wanted to reward him with PT vs WKentucky or if Lee was just in the doghouse, whatever it doesn't matter. I trust Les to make the right call....even if JJ starts vs Ole Miss.
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