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re: So You Don't Know Why Miles Might Want to Start Jefferson?

Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:15 am to
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71021 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:15 am to
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all indications are that we couldn't have gotten out of Tuscaloosa alive without him.

see i mean that's possible, but lee only took 11 snaps that game. if he played the entire game like those 11 snaps, no prob not. i think it was poor coaching to have lee throw the pass he did on the 2nd INT, but that's for another thread. JJ didn't do anything special against bama either other than not screw up. defense and defense alone won that game.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:16 am to
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There it is

It wasn't a team effort first. It wasn't Saban fricking up by trying to kick some bombs for FG, and it wasn't our defense smothering when it counted.

It was JJ, all alone. And experts such as yourself know for a fact that Lee couldn't have thrown the deep ball to Shep. And before you say "they were respecting the option"... even CBS showed the secondary blow coverage and 3 guys bolt to Peterson.

Lee had a shitty game. But for some reason it's just accepted as fact that Lee couldn't have gotten us a field goal like JJ did.


There what is? Lee was clearly ineffective against BAMA. Is that really under dispute?!? No one is suggesting JJ did anything earth shattering, merely that his skill set was better suited to beating BAMA that day.

BTW, have you ever suggested that if it were not for Lee coming in during a game in 2001 LSU would have lost? PLENTY here have suggested that...was it all Lee back then?
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
12280 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:16 am to
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JJ keeps many drives alive with his feet.

Huge reason why JJ was always the starter.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:17 am to
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Sh..your showing how dumb you really are.


Always funny.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:17 am to
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JJ keeps many drives alive with his feet.


Huge reason why JJ was always the starter.



yet our 3rd down conversions this year are better with Lee....odd
Posted by Katy Tiger
Houston area
Member since Sep 2004
8032 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:17 am to
JL is Keiland Williams at the QB position. Les just doesn't trust JL. Its as simple as that.

Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
12280 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:18 am to
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3 picks in 10 games, bud. Not exactly handing the game over to the opponent this season.

He's still more likely to do it. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been paying attention or just doesn't want to believe it.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42142 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:18 am to
The same game plays out at bama and the lee only crowd would be hooting and hollering about how lee took the team on his back and got the W in Tuscaloosa.

Just give credit where it is due. Jefferson did what we needed that game. He made plays with his feet.and ran the option well that game. Bama isnt great at stopping dual threat qbs. Jefferson was a big reason why we won but certainly not the only reason.
Posted by TheDoc
doc is no more
Member since Dec 2005
99297 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:18 am to
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How can you say this when Lee is more apt to throw the devastating INT?


Lee has 3 ints in 10 games

3
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49035 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:18 am to
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If it is always someone else's fault when Jefferson has a negative play, then there is no criticizing him


I'll gladly criticize him when it's warranted. I criticized his safety against WVU (albeit in a different manner than most.) But the complete unawareness of situation by LSU fans kills me. Most fans only have the ability to watch the person with the ball and then sprint to their computers to criticize that player without ever taking into account the situation in which they were placed.

And that isn't limited to Jefferson. Lee suffered much of the same fate in 2008. Until this year, neither QB was ever consistently put into a situation to succeed. Their hands were bound before they took the snap.

And recent college football history (2000-2011) consistently points to the same culprit.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49817 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:18 am to
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How can you say this when Lee is more apt to throw the devastating INT? Also, how can you say this when you see Lee bail out after nearly every throw?
you're fricking kidding right?

JL has 3 picks this season.

I'd say the extremely high number of sacks JJ takes is more of a threat than the slim chance JL throws an int
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
34489 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:19 am to
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Why do you include some 2010 JJ stats and not others?
Why do I start with the Bama game? Because he got MUCH better starting with the Bama game.

I don't count Lee's past against him either. Lee has been damn good in 2011.
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:19 am to
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No one is suggesting JJ did anything earth shattering,

The quote was "without JJ, we lose to Bama"

Irritating that he gets all the credit for wins, and Lee is just a manager.

Lee struggled, obviously, but to think that the offense couldn't have gotten 1 field goal drive with him (deep pass referenced on blown coverage could have easily been Lee) is wrong.
Posted by TIGRLEE
Northeast Louisiana
Member since Nov 2009
31493 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:19 am to
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Les just doesn't trust JL. Its as simple as that.


damn... after the first 8 games of 2011 whats a qb to do?

Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
Cali
Member since Dec 2008
1164 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:19 am to
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i think it was poor coaching to have lee throw the pass he did on the 2nd INT, but that's for another thread.


I doubt that was poor coaching...poor coaching would imply a bad play call. I thought it was a good idea to have him come out throwing..showed confidence in him. He just made a bad read. SO no it wasnt coaching...
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36291 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:19 am to
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so you have opted to play again.

We'll start simple....do you know what an OUTLIER is ?


Yes yes I do. Do you know that UGA has the number 12 scoring defense in the country? We still have good defenses coming up (though not as good as bama). If you want to talk about cherrypicking stats then throwing out a game where Lee did bad is the definition of cherry picking. JJ went against that same defense this year too and basically the same players last year.
Posted by LSUzealot
Napoleon and Magazine
Member since Sep 2003
57656 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:20 am to
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It wasn't a team effort first.


It most certainly was a team effort. Without Reid, we lose the game. Without Big Sam, we lose the game. Without Michael Ford, we lose the game. I like how you assuume I think JJ won it for us. Lee was rattled in that game. We would not have moved the football that night vs that defense.
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 10:25 am
Posted by ScoopAndScore
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
12280 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:20 am to
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yet our 3rd down conversions this year are better with Lee....odd

The offensive system and coaches are completely different this year. You know that.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69416 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:21 am to
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Sh..your showing how dumb you really are.




Always funny


that is always one of my favorites

along with your a moran
Posted by Boh
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
12361 posts
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:21 am to
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He's still more likely to do it. Anyone who doesn't know that hasn't been paying attention or just doesn't want to believe it.

Really? I mean, really?

You're letting 2008 confuse you. Were you not paying attention at the beginning of the season when Lee had the long streak of attempts without an interception? And another long streak after the Moo St pick without one?

Once again, Lee gets blamed for his past and JJ does not.
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